Same old sad story in Norwich City’s Premier League survival quest

Norwich City squandered a Premier League win against Stoke City in a 1-1 stalemate at Carrow Road. 
Picture by Paul Chesterton/Focus Images Ltd Norwich City squandered a Premier League win against Stoke City in a 1-1 stalemate at Carrow Road. Picture by Paul Chesterton/Focus Images Ltd

Monday, March 10, 2014
8:00 AM

Norwich City’s battle for Premier League survival is also the story of a fight they are waging from within.

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"Norwich have backed themselves into a corner and they may need the type of flourish they produced 12 months ago to extricate themselves."

Paddy Davitt

The laboured nature of their efforts against Stoke City has a been a depressing constant in a season of dashed expectations fuelled by that commendable club-record transfer outlay.

City look no further forward in the search for genuine evolution and, on the evidence of Stoke and too many other days like them in recent months, they appear to have regressed. It is less the fact they are once again embroiled in a scrap that is unlikely to be resolved until the final moments of the season but the realisation any optimistic shoots are periodically crushed by brutal reality.

Norwich have routinely failed to build on the best results and most encouraging performances of their third consecutive top flight season. You can look outwards to the undoubted quality of other Premier League rivals and the continuing financial imbalance between Norwich and the majority. They may well be contributory factors, but the Canaries are doing very little to help themselves and that is inexcusable.

It is not enough to simply point the finger at Chris Hughton or his players. Culpability must be shared corporately, but there can be little dispute should City emerge with their Premier League status intact this campaign will be portrayed as one of missed opportunity.

Stoke was merely another frustrating link in the chain. Norwich were second best for the majority of the opening period as they struggled to deal with the obvious threat of Peter Crouch, who even in the tail end of his career is a worthy adversary. Crouch’s aerial advantage belies his technical ability and willingness to constantly drag Norwich’s centre backs both deep and wide.

The tide only turned when Crouch’s influence began to wane and Wes Hoolahan’s imprint on a fractious contest grew. Hoolahan’s personal story perfectly encapsulates Norwich’s collective travails. The Irishman was eased from the stage to the stalls for large swathes of this season in the search for sustained growth, before his isolation was cut short in the elusive pursuit of attacking productivity.

Even with Hoolahan back in harness, Norwich carried only a fleeting threat to a Stoke backline who were largely untroubled. The 31-year-old is a graceful footballer thrust into the headlines for all the wrong reasons since the turn of the year, but the Dubliner alone can not shoulder the burden of addressing Norwich’s offensive mediocrity. Nathan Redmond is enjoying an extended run in a line-up that contains a pair of aggressive, attack-minded full-backs in Russell Martin and Martin Olsson yet there is still no sense of dynamism or directness to City’s play. Norwich’s goal when it arrived after a forgettable hour sprung from a predictable source; Robert Snodgrass’ teasing free-kick despatched by Bradley Johnson, but that quest for a degree of extra insurance eluded Hughton’s side once again.

Asmir Begovic produced an acrobatic flying save to claw out Redmond’s venomous hit yet the records will show it is now 16 matches and counting since Norwich scored twice in one shift. That is a damning statistic and an indictment of Hughton’s methods and his players’ output.

City’s enduring difficulties in front of goal have placed an onerous burden on their capacity to resist at the opposite end. John Ruddy’s growing clean sheet count is a testament to the success of that policy but Norwich can not justifiably expect to clinch survival on the hard labour of their backline and a midfield screening unit.

Such stress has produced cracks in the edifice against Aston Villa, where they imploded in graphic fashion, and in gifting Stoke a way back. Seb Bassong was the fall guy with a rash misjudgement punished by Jon Walters from the penalty spot but there is precious little sign of any progress in trying to alleviate those pressures further forward.

Norwich’s lack of potency ultimately scuppered a fertile recent period when wins at Cardiff and West Ham were squandered by their profligacy. Now, by Hughton’s own admission, they have slipped from that standard in the last two Premier League games and that can only be recipe with a sour ending.

The stilted nature of their response when Walters’ red reduced Stoke to 10-men for the last 17 minutes must have been particularly painful watching for the home fans - one concerted period bringing into sharp focus the debilitating trends which have undermined much of Norwich’s work this season.

When the moment arrives and the odds tilt in their favour they appear unwilling or simply incapable of seizing the opportunity and easing their passage to a fourth season of Premier League football.

A point against a typically obdurate Stoke, who retain all the gnarled attributes of the Tony Pulis era, by itself would not be calamitous, but in the context of Norwich’s perilous position in the table and the lack of a cohesive forward strategy you could feel the air of resignation at the final whistle. Norwich have backed themselves into a corner and they may need the type of flourish they produced 12 months ago to extricate themselves.

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  • MC, I am not a Hughton apologist so your comment is not addressed to the likes of me. Still I want to say that though I enjoy going to the games, and I am vocal in my support of our team, I have hardly ever enjoyed watching the football we play under Hughton. It is low-entertainment, low-quality, frustrating, and boring. And when you think we're not getting the results we need either there seems to be no excuse for him. But evidently Hughton still has his defenders so, yeah, let's hear your argument.

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    Cecil

    Monday, March 10, 2014

  • I wont send everyone to sleep with my thoughts on Saturdays game as to be fair most people already know everything you need to know about it. What I will say is I noticed something that likely went under the radar. Nathan Redmond clearly said to Hughton he was tired and wanted a sub. Hughton immediately sent Pilks out to warm up. He did so for over 10 minutes while Redmond strolled around tired. Then we gave the penalty away an Hughtons instant reaction was to put Elmander & Co on. Pilks looked utterly dejected! I managed to capture a few pictures on my phone. He looked at the NCFC bench and you saw the realisation sink in that he wouldn't be coming on. He then sat on the boards in a grump looking at his boots for a while. Real sunday league stuff. Poor management again in my opinion as we all spotted Redmond was so tired from our area of the Lower Barclay way before he called to the bench. Then as a result Redmond had to complete the Full 90 minutes an to be fair couldnt really contribute to the game.

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    Mattias333

    Monday, March 10, 2014

  • What flourish did we produce 12 months ago? We were dropping like a stone until Wigan went down and we took the shackles off and won two meaningless games against two other sides with even less to play for.

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    Colin

    Monday, March 10, 2014

  • Well said, Barclay. My sentiments entirely!

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    malaga flier

    Monday, March 10, 2014

  • Good for you Liz, seems if you write anything positive about CH the this site censors and rejects it

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    GPL

    Monday, March 10, 2014

  • MichiganCanary, agreed, Hughton seems to have reduced good players to shaking wrecks. Bassong is just an accident waiting to happen. Every game he does something completely stupid, some games he gets away with it as ten opposition miss a sitter but more often we are punished. Yet Hughton continue to pick him, may there is more to this Father-son relationship than meets the eye.

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    Canaryinslovenia

    Monday, March 10, 2014

  • There they go again, blocking anyone who says anything positive about CH

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    GPL

    Monday, March 10, 2014

  • City are playing with six defenders, one striker and two wingers on the wrong sides. The manager routinely takes off our best players (Hoolahan, Redmond etc) and insists on bringing on players who seem unable to effect any game (Elmander). The fans are sick of watch negative football which invariably involves us dropping points. It's time for a change, we could wait for the end of the season but what do we gain by that, more boring and point dropping dross.

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    b arclay

    Monday, March 10, 2014

  • Same old fickle budgie "fans". You should be ashamed. Back your manager!

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    Liz Knott

    Monday, March 10, 2014

  • I don't get it. We scream for Premier league football with all the riches it brings and then expect that we can play in it as though we are still in th Championship. As a club, we are holding ouyr own in the middle to lower reaches of the Premiership. If we beat Sunderland and West Brom at Home then I cant't see that enough clubs below us would overtake us because they are not really taking many other points. We are capable of getting 4 points elsewhere before the season ends. After all, we took 4 points off Spurs and Man City between them recently. perhaps the football is not what we want to see but Norwich are never going to be able to play entertaining football on a regular basis in this league. For one, not even Man City, Chelsea or Arsenal play it every week. Our players are not of their standard so for me we are where we are. I don't think for a minute we will get relegated but if you want exciting attacking football then you should look to play in the Championship. if you want us to play in the best league in the world then we need to accept that we need to work hard and grind out results like we have been doing. We are progressing as a team for sure. I think the managers first choice midfield have never beed on the same pitch at the same time all season. They would be fer Tettey and Howson and not once have they been fit enough to play together at any given point this season and we are still 4 points clear of the drop zone. I think CH has done brilliant to keep us where we are at the moment. All the teams who have kept faith with their manager have kept clear of relegation . Its the ones who have changed manager that are hovering closest to relegation

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    GPL

    Monday, March 10, 2014

  • Not sacking Hughton in November could be the biggest mistake the club has ever made and shows naivety that you cannot afford to have at this level. Everyone can see it isn't working so why persist with a broken and ineffective management system?

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    komakino

    Monday, March 10, 2014

  • It seem that if you are not on here to slag off CH then you have no chance of getting your point accross. Perhaps it is EDP which has an agenda to see the man sacked

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    GPL

    Monday, March 10, 2014

  • "I have a funny feeling that Hooper and or RVW are about to deliver (finally!) What odds we win the next 3 in a row?".... Chestec? I'll have a pint of whatever you've been drinking please mate. It's obviously good stuff...

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    Timbo

    Monday, March 10, 2014

  • GPL...indeed we took 4 points from two of the so-called 'big' sides. Watching us stick one up Spurs was brilliant wasn't it? Trouble is those results pale into insignificance when we fail to pick up points from those teams around and below us. Just think, if we had beaten Cardiff, Villa, Stoke, and picked up a point from West Ham, we would all be doing something else much more interesting other than bothering these here pages.

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    Mellow_Yellow

    Monday, March 10, 2014

  • Just a thought, but we should have beaten Man. City, we did beat Spurs and we perform at our best when playing top teams. Therefore our last four matches are the perfect run in!

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    Lobbo

    Monday, March 10, 2014

  • We are capable of getting 4 points elsewhere before the season ends. After all, we took 4 points off Spurs and Man City between them recently. Perhaps the football is not what we want to see but Norwich are never going to be able to play entertaining football on a regular basis in this league.

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    GPL

    Monday, March 10, 2014

  • As an ex-pat Norfolk boy and Canary fan now living in Denver, I cringe almost every weekend as we go into our games. (We have 5 live EPL games here most weekends). I really feel sorry for the Norwich fans; there's been so little to feel good about over the past two seasons; it's all about the drop, never about getting into Europe or winning some silver ware. It's such a different feeling when you support a winning team, such as the Broncos or Avalanche here in Denver (well apart from the last Broncos game!). I also lived in Miami when the Heat won their two consecutive titles - an exhilarating ride for a fan. However the Miami Dolphins stunk for the 17 years I was there - that felt like being a Norwich fan; never-ending hope followed by deep disappointment...

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    Mile High

    Monday, March 10, 2014

  • TK, not only are our fans far too English, they`re far too `Norfolk`. Very stoic and reserved, relatively speaking. By the time this `rebellion` builds up enough steam to burst out, Hughton`s neck will have been saved by an 87th minute winner, scored from a set-piece by a defender. Like the one Ryan Bennett got vs Hull. Remember Ryan Bennett? Maybe Soton will take an early holiday? Maybe porcine aviators do exist. If we escape the drop, the Board should have a serious look at what`s happened here, from recruitment, through training, fitness, motivation and tactical acumen. There can be only one result; Hughton & Co go, we start afresh. Same applies if we DO get relegated.

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    Mad Brewer

    Monday, March 10, 2014

  • I agree with Paddy in this instance. We are so far off the pace. We lack flair, consistency and balance. We have played most of the season with no creative midfielder and little or no threat from the wings. So the two avenues that produce chances for forwards have not been there. In addition we lack leadership both on and off the field and we are so brittle that when the opposition score against us we capitulate. And of course not being able to score more than at most a goal a game means we can't win once the opposition put one in our net, as happens time and time again. We have been on a downward slope all season and there is no evidence of any light at the end of the tunnel. Indeed I can't even see the tunnel! Hughton, in my view, should have been replaced a long time ago and to that end the Board is culpable, perhaps somehow believing it will suddenly all get better as it by magic.Sadly it won't because the dye has been set. Hughton's influence has permeated too deeply. Whatever happens in May we simply cannot afford to continue with the present coaching staff.

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    malaga flier

    Monday, March 10, 2014

  • Mardler, I am Norfolk born! 1948. The stoicism and reservedness of Norfolk people is to their credit; it is not a criticism. This is not the first time you`ve been acutely obtuse. Blaffen Wijs; I did mean porcine aviators, not aircraft. It`s mere semantics, but I rarely make an error by mistake. Is that OK? Should I have said `unlikely porcine aviators` in plane language? Where`s your buddy, BPbp? Still in the bog?? Or was that a pilot scheme. Je vriend. Gek.

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    Mad Brewer

    Monday, March 10, 2014

  • I don't get it. We scream for Premier league football with all the riches it brings and then expect that we can play in it as though we are still in th Championship.

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    GPL

    Monday, March 10, 2014

  • The fact is that we do play well a lot of the time, but three things have sealed our fate, CH 's total inability to change things during a game, our shots to shots on target ratio and the number of goals scored by our out and out illustrious strikers. What did Bassong say a few games ago "we just need a little more luck".

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    Lobbo

    Monday, March 10, 2014

  • To save myself from disappointment I went to this game with low expectations - and yes, it worked! If we can't beat a 10-man Stoke after going 1-nil up at home then I really do fear the worst. We looked like a hotch-potch of a team who for the best part of 90 minutes found it difficult to string two successful passes together. Our build-up play in the final third (what little there was) was all too slow and laboured. Hoops and RVW need someone playing in behind them who can thread those defence splitting passes through to their feet.

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    Mellow_Yellow

    Monday, March 10, 2014

  • As a club, we are holding our own in the middle to lower reaches of the Premiership. If we beat Sunderland and West Brom at Home then I cant't see that enough clubs below us would overtake us because they are not really taking many other points.

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    GPL

    Monday, March 10, 2014

  • I wont send everyone to sleep with my thoughts on Saturdays game as to be fair most people already know everything you need to know about it. What I will say is I noticed something that likely went under the radar (Unless you follow me on social media). Nathan Redmond clearly said to Hughton he was shattered and wanted a sub. Not a knock on him, hes had a hard week and ran his socks off again. Hughton immediately sent Pilks out to warm up. He did so for over 10 minutes while Redmond strolled around shattered. Then we gave the penalty away an Hughtons instant reaction was to chuck Elmander & Co on. Pilks looked utterly Livid! I managed to capture a few snaps on my phone for anyone who cares to check them out via the usual social media sources. He looked at the NCFC bench and you saw the realisation sink in that he wouldn't be coming on. He then sat on the advertising boards like a naughty child looking at his boots for a while. Poor management again in my opinion as we all spotted Redmond was shattered from our area of the Lower Barclay way before he called to the bench. Then as a result Redmond had to complete the Full 90 minutes an to be fair couldnt really contribute to the game. On the game itself I thought RVW did ok considering he's still within a system that does not suit him and did just as much as Hooper has done etc. Wes was Wes and proved my theory correct, that without Adam Stoke were not as strong in the centre and he could be left to cause damage. While I wont pretend it was a chance a minute he still created better chances than we have done when he hasn't been playing. A right silly billy tried arguing with me over twitter how his Pass success rate wasnt hight enough, well what do you expect. When Wes loses the ball its through trying to create something which I dont mind at all. Its when the likes of Bassong, Johnson & Martin give the ball away when under zero pressure that I get really wound up. Hughton once again proved he has no Plan B. Im not going to start the Elmander hate mod up again. Hes not my cup of tea but he did come on and create a chance that Johnson fluffed. Either way my issue is Hoolahan was pulling the strings and despite playing midweek wasnt showing signs of tiring. Hughton went for his usual after going 1 goal up, which is complete lock down. Nothing against Howson, I like Howson alot and he should be a starter any other week but right now, that game it was working fine. I have no problem going into complete lock down last 10 minutes but with Hughton its always a instant knee jerk reaction if we manage to actually take the lead for a change.

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    Mattias333

    Monday, March 10, 2014

  • Sorry for the poor grammar, but emotions run high.....

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    Robin Sydney

    Monday, March 10, 2014

  • When you look at who was on the bench for Saturdays game doesnt it seem extremely odd that given Hughton does not rate Becchio or seem likely to play him,,he had him on the bench as well as two other strikers who he rates higher and didnt have a recognised centre half or defencive midfielder to call on.At the end of the season when our fate is decided and Hughton has gone (and he will) I do so hope that the truth regarding a lot of the unanswered questions from this season are forthcoming.

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    Trevor Sadd

    Monday, March 10, 2014

  • If my memory serves me right, it was when Northampton were at the top of the old div 2 and on their way up, and we were about 4th pushing for promotion, and it was a 1 - 1 draw at Carrow Rd with the 44,000 crowd, although some people thought there were 50,000 in there that day. I know it was really tight. I was about 15 and watching from the old South stand (standing).

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    MichiganCanary

    Monday, March 10, 2014

  • Youre right Lobbo, funny results do happen, but we also have seen us crumble at some of these teams. Think the players will be so nervous by that time we will see a repeat of the Fulham episode many seasons ago and get some hammerings....although I hope not !

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    Jimhow

    Monday, March 10, 2014

  • I love the posts this morning, or, in modern, parlance, I'm lovin' the posts this morning. Algarve and Malaga are depressingly accurate in their assessments (must be the rain in Spain); TK implies we should man the barricades in Carrow Rd to oust our leader (well, it worked in Ukraine); Lobbo and Chestec are clinging desperately to a floating piece of deck chair, apparently unaware that the lifeboats have already been called off; Mardler flies the flag for Norfolk; Nelson is busy improving standards in the use of English idiom ( although he failed to notice that Brewer used "porcine aviators" when he perhaps meant "porcine aircraft" (I await the backlash, Gek); Mattias took his "Brownie" along to the game on Saturday to gather photographic evidence in support of Hughton's overthrow and reported back with commendable brevity (must have been a queue at the kiosk when he posted); and Mellow went to the game sensibly equipped with low expectations to avoid disappointment. As for me, Norwch actually exceeded my expectations. I was expecting all the usual failings (expertly enumerated by Robin Sydney) but I certainly wasn't expecting a point. To think that we are now in spitting distance of 30 points....and if you're lucky enough to have a season ticket near the home dug out, you are in spitting distance of Chris Hughton. I'm beyond disappointment now. That came and went some time between the home defeat by Luton and the away humiliation my Man City. These days I console myself with the thought that one of the 2 derby games next season might be scheduled for Boxing Day, like it was in the good old days.

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    User Removed

    Monday, March 10, 2014

  • Michigan Canary. It is impossible to get positive messages past the moderators, unless you make it one or two lines. I have just had at least 12 rejections trying to make such points as you suggest

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    GPL

    Monday, March 10, 2014

  • I don't get it. We scream for Premier league football with all the riches it brings and then expect that we can play in it as though we are still in th Championship. As a club, we are holding ouyr own in the middle to lower reaches of the Premiership. If we beat Sunderland and West Brom at Home then I cant't see that enough clubs below us would overtake us because they are not really taking many other points. We are capable of getting 4 points elsewhere before the season ends. After all, we took 4 points off Spurs and Man City between them recently. perhaps the football is not what we want to see but Norwich are never going to be able to play entertaining football on a regular basis in this league. For one, not even Man City, Chelsea or Arsenal play it every week. Our players are not of their standard so for me we are where we are. I don't think for a minute we will get relegated but if you want exciting attacking football then you should look to play in the Championship. if you want us to play in the best league in the world then we need to accept that we need to work hard and grind out results like we have been doing. We are progressing as a team for sure. I think the managers first choice midfield have never beed on the same pitch at the same time all season. They would be fer Tettey and Howson and not once have they been fit enough to play together at any given point this season and we are still 4 points clear of the drop zone. I think CH has done brilliant to keep us where we are at the moment. All the teams who have kept faith with their manager have kept clear of relegation . Its the ones who have changed manager that are hovering closest to relegation

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    GPL

    Monday, March 10, 2014

  • Liz Knott, I will not be ashamed for seeing that Hughton is systematically destroying this Club and saying so. Have you actually watched any of the games this season? Woeful, unentertaining , weary , laboured, inept, amateurish, boring, rubbish! Rubbish!! RUBBISH!!!!

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    kenfoggo

    Monday, March 10, 2014

  • Hoof the Hooters are not fickle; we are totally consistent. To back someone who's useless is plain stupid.

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    Cecil

    Monday, March 10, 2014

  • There is nothing wrong with our fans and being Norfolk born is something to be proud of not the reverse. With regard to the performance of the team the question is IF we survive in the Premiership are we going on and on with more of the same and dishing out loads more cash in the process? There is a limit to patience! Clear minds are needed to focus on the future direction of NCFC

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    mardler

    Monday, March 10, 2014

  • I don't get it. We scream for Premier league football with all the riches it brings and then expect that we can play in it as though we are still in th Championship. As a club, we are holding ouyr own in the middle to lower reaches of the Premiership. If we beat Sunderland and West Brom at Home then I cant't see that enough clubs below us would overtake us because they are not really taking many other points. We are capable of getting 4 points elsewhere before the season ends. After all, we took 4 points off Spurs and Man City between them recently. perhaps the football is not what we want to see but Norwich are never going to be able to play entertaining football on a regular basis in this league. For one, not even Man City, Chelsea or Arsenal play it every week. Our players are not of their standard so for me we are where we are. I don't think for a minute we will get relegated but if you want exciting attacking football then you should look to play in the Championship. if you want us to play in the best league in the world then we need to accept that we need to work hard and grind out results like we have been doing. We are progressing as a team for sure. I think the managers first choice midfield have never beed on the same pitch at the same time all season. They would be fer Tettey and Howson and not once have they been fit enough to play together at any given point this season and we are still 4 points clear of the drop zone. I think CH has done brilliant to keep us where we are at the moment. All the teams who have kept faith with their manager have kept clear of relegation . Its the ones who have changed manager that are hovering closest to relegation

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    GPL

    Monday, March 10, 2014

  • What flourish did we produce 12 months ago? We were dropping like a stone until Wigan went down and we took the shackles off and won two meaningless games against two other sides with even less to play for.

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    Colin

    Monday, March 10, 2014

  • I wont send everyone to sleep with my thoughts on Saturdays game as to be fair most people already know everything you need to know about it. What I will say is I noticed something that likely went under the radar (Unless you follow me on social media). Nathan Redmond clearly said to Hughton he was shattered and wanted a sub. Not a knock on him, hes had a hard week and ran his socks off again. Hughton immediately sent Pilks out to warm up. He did so for over 10 minutes while Redmond strolled around shattered. Then we gave the penalty away an Hughtons instant reaction was to chuck Elmander & Co on. Pilks looked utterly Livid! I managed to capture a few snaps on my phone for anyone who cares to check them out via the usual social media sources. He looked at the NCFC bench and you saw the realisation sink in that he wouldn't be coming on. He then sat on the advertising boards like a naughty child looking at his boots for a while. Poor management again in my opinion as we all spotted Redmond was shattered from our area of the Lower Barclay way before he called to the bench. Then as a result Redmond had to complete the Full 90 minutes an to be fair couldnt really contribute to the game. On the game itself I thought RVW did ok considering he's still within a system that does not suit him and did just as much as Hooper has done etc. Wes was Wes and proved my theory correct, that without Charlie Adam Stoke were not as strong in the centre and Wes could be left to cause damage. While I wont pretend it was a chance a minute he still created better chances than we have done when he hasn't been playing. A right silly billy tried arguing with me over social media about how Wes Pass success rate wasnt high enough, well what do you expect. When Wes loses the ball its through trying to create something which I dont mind at all. Its when the likes of Bassong, Johnson & Martin give the ball away when under zero pressure that I get really wound up. Hughton once again proved he has no Plan B. Im not going to start the Elmander hate mod up again. Hes not my cup of tea but he did come on and create a chance that Johnson fluffed. Either way my issue is Hoolahan was pulling the strings and despite playing midweek wasnt showing signs of tiring. Hughton went for his usual after going 1 goal up, which is complete lock down. Nothing against Howson, I like Howson alot and he should be a starter any other week but right now, that game it was working fine. I have no problem going into complete lock down last 10 minutes but with Hughton its always a instant knee jerk reaction if we manage to actually take the lead for a change.

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    Mattias333

    Monday, March 10, 2014

  • Some very good spot on posts here. I fear our fans are too English and as a result have thus far failed to make their voices heard loud and clear to the board of directors. Like many fools, I have allowed my season ticket to be renewed partly because it is automatic these days. I wonder how many other clubs set such an early renewal deadline, I think the original excuse was to help the club out due to its financial mess but now they are rolling in money but still rip us fans off. Where are those fans of old that finally drove the much disliked chairman out of the club, we must act before it is far too late surely.

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    TrevorKeith

    Monday, March 10, 2014

  • Despite this continual malfunctioning of the goal scorers poor old Becchio is not given a run. Why on earth was he kept and not sold or loaned out? He was a constant scorer at Leeds but until he is given a fair crack of the whip no one will really know if he is any good or not. Hughton keeps trotting out the same well rehearsed and read lines after every match but at long last he has had to put Hoolahan in the team so for heavens sake give Becchio a start. The other mystery is why start with Winkle for 80 minutes and bring Hooper on for 10 minutes, ready made solution would be to put Elmander in goal and Ruddy up front with Bassong! Try that.

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    blackdog2

    Monday, March 10, 2014

  • The troubling thought is that if we stay up and the Board say "job done" we have no Change of manager and next season have to put up with the same dross served up on the pitch .There are no excuses for him.All clubs have players injured.This is par for the course.He simply has no conception of how to play attractive attacking football even though he has players to do it.I am no fan of RVW but cannot believe that in a team set up to score goals he wouldn't have only managed 4 shots on target so far in the season

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    irongloves

    Monday, March 10, 2014

  • I love the posts this morning, or, in modern, parlance, I'm lovin' the posts this morning. Algarve and Malaga are depressingly accurate in their assessments (must be the rain in Spain); TK implies we should man the barricades in Carrow Rd to oust our leader (well, it worked in Ukraine); Lobbo and Chestec are clinging desperately to a floating piece of deck chair, apparently unaware that the lifeboats have already been called off; Mardler flies the flag for Norfolk; Nelson is busy improving standards in the use of English idiom ( although he failed to notice that Brewer used "porcine aviators" when he perhaps meant "porcine aircraft" (I await the backlash, Gek); Mattias took his "Brownie" along to the game on Saturday to gather photographic evidence in support of Hughton's overthrow and reported back with commendable brevity (must have been a queue at the kiosk when he posted); and Mellow went to the game sensibly equipped with low expectations to avoid disappointment. As for me, Norwch actually exceeded my expectations. I was expecting all the usual failings (expertly enumerated by Robin Sydney) but I certainly wasn't expecting a point. To think that we are now in spitting distance of 30 points....and if you're lucky enough to have a season ticket near the home dug out, you are in spitting distance of Chris Hughton. I'm beyond disappointment now. That came and went some time between the home defeat by Luton and the away humiliation my Man City. These days I console myself with the thought that one of the 2 derby games next season might be scheduled for Boxing Day, like it was in the good old days.

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    User Removed

    Monday, March 10, 2014

  • Having watched professional football at all levels and both here and overseas for over half a century I can honestly say I have never come up against a more inept coaching team than we have at Norwich today. I am happy to see all kinds of views expressed here but find it hard to comprehend how anyone can see Hughton as anything other than a complete failure. I have seen many teams comprising far, far, less gifted players who have produced consistent performances and far above their natural capabilities. Football is very much a team game and many average teams have excelled playing together as a unit and with a combined will and spirit which is sadly lacking at Carrow Road at present. In particular I recall, as a former Northamptonian, watching the Cobblers rise from the depths of Div 4 to the old Div 1 with a team made up in the main of journeymen players. But what transformed them was the passion, pride and drive of the manager Dave Bowen. I know they fell back as quickly as they rose, but that was down to lack of finances and a "stadium" which was in reality the back of a cricket ground. In short no sustainability. The point is Hughton has an abundance of riches relatively speaking but has done nothing with them. So I can't see how Hughton can in any way be described as a good manager although I respect those whose views differ.

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    malaga flier

    Monday, March 10, 2014

  • People dont understand exactly what a coach does. Imagine we signed Alan Shearer as an attacking coach. We are not suddenly going to be an attacking force. Hughton has his methods and nobody is going to change his mind. Not like the new attacking coach will go "hey Chris, heres your problem, you need to shoot more" and Hughton will go "oh right! why didnt I think of that". Further more take a look at the Lambert era. We had Paul Lambert who admitted he didnt like getting involved with the coach side and was a defensive midfielder in his playing days. Then you had Culverhouse who was a defender and Gary Karsa who to my knowledge wasnt even a professional player. Yet during their era we played some of the most attacking football this clubs ever seen. So its certainly not as simple as signing an attacking coach. If Hughton brings someone in its because he trust them or is friends with them. If the club did something as odd as force him to employ an attacking coach, why would he suddenly listen an change his style? Hughton has his style (if you can call it that) and I wouldnt expect him to change his beliefs for nobody.

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    Mattias333

    Monday, March 10, 2014

  • Crunch time is here: 5 games left before the dreaded "final 4" run-in. We need 10 points or so from these to ensure survival. 3 wins and a draw ? Whatever your opinions on Hughton and the board, now is the time to come together and fight like hell to stay up. Strange results can happen at end of season..we saw this last yr vs West Brom and Man City. I have a funny feeling that Hooper and or RVW are about to deliver (finally!) What odds we win the next 3 in a row? Hope springs eternal....

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    chestec

    Monday, March 10, 2014

  • Mellow we go to every game now with low exspectations where as when Lambo was here when didn't think of losing and I think that says all about Hughton we are sliding to premiership oblivion and how many years will it take for us to get back up

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    leslie cater

    Monday, March 10, 2014

  • Good for you Liz, seems if you write anything positive about CH the this site censors and rejects it

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    GPL

    Monday, March 10, 2014

  • There is a depressingly repetitive nature to these articles that Paddy writes every Monday morning. With the exception of the brief heady euphoria following the Spurs victory, it's the same old story. We might cling onto Premiership football courtesy of the even greater failure of the 4 teams below us, but if one or two of them show a late flurry.....we are going to be relegated. Sadly.....we will have deserved it. I'm beyond angry. Beyond sad......just resigned.

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    Algarve Canary

    Monday, March 10, 2014

  • Got a funny feeling that Mcbottle will leave before Hughton.

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    superfan59

    Monday, March 10, 2014

  • I am sorry Peter Watson but that will never happen.When have you ever seen a manager sack his coach,they are part of his team,where he goes they go.

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    Trevor Sadd

    Monday, March 10, 2014

  • I am always keen to hear from those who criticize the supporters on here who want more from their club. Please tell us what you feel is going well for NCFC at the moment in terms of results, playing style, management, coaching, substitution strategy, etc., so we can understand your points of view, and maybe change our requirements of the team. If the answer is we have EPL soccer in Norwich, then I believe we should, as Norwich is ranked one of the 30 biggest citiestowns in England, so we should expect to have EPL soccer if we are doing a bit better than average for our size. Like all supporters I want our team to punch above their weight (we have had more years where they haven't than ones where they have), so I for one will continue to criticize the current results, strategy and approach until someone can give me a good argument otherwise, or something changes to bring good results and exciting football a higher percentage of games. Comments?

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    MichiganCanary

    Monday, March 10, 2014

  • We are capable of getting 4 points elsewhere before the season ends. After all, we took 4 points off Spurs and Man City between them recently. Perhaps the football is not what we want to see but Norwich are never going to be able to play entertaining football on a regular basis in this league.

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    GPL

    Monday, March 10, 2014

  • Well Malaga Flier I think you are correct but we must try and use our language in the correct way! 'The DIE HAS BEEN CAST!'

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    Nelson

    Monday, March 10, 2014

  • I could't help but notice your birth year, Brewer. You reached your majority just as the decade of love was getting into full swing. All that free love, the bangles and beads, not to mention the substance abuse. It's no wonder you still exude warmth, humanity and good will to all men ( except CH).

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    User Removed

    Monday, March 10, 2014

  • Well said Cecil. To complain about a bad situation with a view to making changes for the better is POSITIVE not NEGATIVE ! How many of the Happy Clappers would eat a bad meal @ a restaurant then just smile politely, pay the bill @ walk out? Exactly. No-one with an ounce of common sense would do that. A visit to the Carra costs about twice as much as you'd spend eating out, yet the Happy Clappers tamely accept the tepid footballing gruel served up by Hughton + Co every week without so much as a murmur. These clowns are sleep-walking into the Chumpionship + quite frankly deserve Hughton. ( In fact they deserve Roeder!) - OTBC.

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    Timbo

    Monday, March 10, 2014

  • Point 1: Hughton should have gone last season when we lost to Luton: Point 2: Bassong should not have been picked, dropped for is lame performance against Villa, he was not: Point 3: Elmander has done nothing period: Why keep trying: Point 4: Drop Hooper mistake again: Point 5: Ignore 30,000 fans who want to see Becchio: I hope poor Becchio lasts longer than Hughton: Point 6: Wrong Subs: Again highlighted by bringing off Hoolahan: Point 7: A persistence in playing wingers in their wrong positions: Point 8: Not being able to motivate the team: The above are all the reasons why we are failing, wrong decisions, wrong team selections, and it seems a willingness to attack but only defend and pray to hold on: I have been patient... and has everyone else: oh one of point,, Guiterrez what a complete waist of effort,,,,,

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    Robin Sydney

    Monday, March 10, 2014

  • I am sorry Peter Watson but that will never happen.When have you ever seen a manager sack his coach,they are part of his team,where he goes they go.

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    Trevor Sadd

    Monday, March 10, 2014

  • Wow! What a master class in précis, that was. Promise I won't post again today............unless mijn vriend provokes me.

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    User Removed

    Monday, March 10, 2014

  • Hello, Gek. On mature reflection, I'm happy to accept "porcine aviators" but I don't get your current fixation with BP2's movements. And talking of matters scatological (and I'm not talking about the football here), have you noticed that Archie has printed some new blurb above the box where you log in: "Comments are not edited before publication by EDP staff but may be automatically filtered". Censorship by robots. Whatever next? Maybe some blurb on the top of the match day programme: "Performances are not orchestrated by NCFC staff before kick off but may be automatically useless". Any thoughts? .......No, I thought as much.

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    User Removed

    Monday, March 10, 2014

  • This has been why the supporters have been frustrated and angry this year.and it seems that Archant are seeing it as well. I wonder when the board and Hughton and his cronies will eventually wise up and do something about it. All the problems are being caused by Hughton and his chosen style of play and man management. He has failed miserably at every turn.

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    VictorM

    Monday, March 10, 2014

  • Blimey Michigan, your memory is as long as mine! I remember that incident, back in the old Dv3 south days I think. I recall that when Norwich came to Northampton Keelan had coins thrown at him and the ref threatened to abandon the game. In those days keepers weren't so protected and took a battering at times. I have a feeling that incident was before the start of Northampton's record rise and fall through all four divisions in consecutive seasons! Took some doing! Actually Keelan was a good keeper. Seems odd to think that the two sides used to meet regularly?! Now at opposite ends of the spectrum. Talking about them, Caulderwood was at one time manager there and I believe still lives in a village near Northampton. I left the town 14 years ago and rarely return. My roots are now firmly in Norfolk and Malaga province.

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    malaga flier

    Monday, March 10, 2014

  • I'm not Norfolk born, I'm a Norfolk adoptee. I went to school here and stayed on. Reservedness may be a virtue, unfriendliness is a vice. But I find the Carrow Road crowd neither reserved nor unfriendly. Theyre a great crowd - I love going there. Which is why we deserve better than the dross served up by this Hughton character, who I read doesnt deign to live here. He has no affection for us nor we for him. Well, except for a few misguided fools.

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    Cecil

    Monday, March 10, 2014

  • Malaga - all good points that I fully agree with, and don't see any counter argument to. Was the season Northhampton got promoted from the old Div 2 when Kevin Keelan threw one of the best uppercuts ever seen at Carrow Road when one of their strikers challenged him once too often?

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    MichiganCanary

    Monday, March 10, 2014

  • Well at least Malaga scored twice today. Can you get Santa Cruz for us?

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    sharky

    Monday, March 10, 2014

  • Have to believe after McN's statements a couple of weeks back, that the only reason CH is still here is we cannot find a replacement that the board is comfortable with. Whoever comes in now has a very big chance of not succeeding. Especially if most of the players don't want change. I still believe most of the squad who start regularly are having too easy a time with no accountability. Also am wondering whether fitness and the ability to give their all for 90 minutes is an issue in a few cases compared to other clubs?

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    MichiganCanary

    Monday, March 10, 2014

  • Decisive steps are needed to end this farce. Houghton has had far too many chances to do something to sort this mess out and he's failed. If he was sacked today it probably won't save the club from relegation but it would at least bring some hope that a replacement might be able to do a better job in the future!

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    Bad Form

    Monday, March 10, 2014

  • On the game itself I thought RVW did ok considering he's still within a system that does not suit him and did just as much as Hooper has done etc. Wes was Wes and proved my theory correct, that without Charlie Adam Stoke were not as strong in the centre and Wes could be left to cause damage. While I wont pretend it was a chance a minute he still created better chances than we have done when he hasn't been playing. Someone tried arguing with me over social media about how Wes Pass success rate wasnt high enough, well what do you expect. When Wes loses the ball its through trying to create something which I dont mind at all. Its when the likes of Bassong, Johnson & Martin give the ball away when under zero pressure that I get really wound up. Hughton once again proved he has no Plan B. Im not going to start the Elmander hate mod up again. Hes not my cup of tea but he did come on and create a chance that Johnson fluffed. Either way my issue is Hoolahan was pulling the strings and despite playing midweek wasnt showing signs of tiring. Hughton went for his usual sub after going 1 goal up, which is complete lock down. Nothing against Howson, I like Howson alot and he should be a starter any other week but right now, that game it was working fine. I have no problem going into complete lock down last 10 minutes but with Hughton its always a instant knee jerk reaction if we manage to actually take the lead for a change.

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    Mattias333

    Monday, March 10, 2014

  • Maybe stuart pearce could be a good choice

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    alan

    Monday, March 10, 2014

  • The only way out for Hughton is to sack Calderwood and replace him with someone who knows about how to attack.He needs someone who can develop flair and creativity in the team with a mindset of scoring to counter-balance his own cautious,defensive approach.Having Calderwood only reinforces these traits,not adds to them.

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    Peter Watson

    Monday, March 10, 2014

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