Poll: Do you support the part-time 20mph limits being introduced outside schools?

20mph zones will only be introduced outside certain schools. 20mph zones will only be introduced outside certain schools.

Wednesday, February 26, 2014
1:04 PM

Part-time 20mph speed limits look set to only be introduced outside schools where road safety risks are greatest, rather than outside every Norfolk school.

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And proposals to bring in average speed cameras to enforce ‘urban speed limits’ are to be put on the back burner, due to costs.

Norfolk County Council last week agreed to make £167m worth of savings over the next three years.

And members of the council’s controlling Labour/Liberal Democrat cabinet will hear on Monday money is tight when it comes to speed management schemes.

The Department of Transport has given councils more powers to set part-time 20mph limits outside schools, but officers say it would cost £3.75m to set up 20mph zones outside every county school.

They recommend that, rather than a blanket introduction, specific problem areas should be targeted instead - if money is available.

Councillors will consider a report drawn up by Dave Stephens, team manager for network management at Norfolk County Council, in which he says work will take place at seven schools in the county.

The schools which have been prioritised for work are St Williams Primary in Thorpe St Andrew, Reffley Community School in King’s Lynn, Heacham Junior School; Holt Community Primary School; Scarning Primary School, near Dereham; Docking Junior School and Necton VA Primary School.

But, with those seven among more than 40 requests for part-time limits, the cabinet is set to agree that, should further money for such schemes become available, then there would need to be clear evidence to support a 20mph limit.

Mr Stephens said: “Where a speed restriction is justified by evidence of safety concerns, the measures could be funded under the allocation for local safety schemes in the highways capital programme.”

Police and council bosses have also been considering whether to use average speed cameras to enforce limits in Norwich and in some of Norfolk’s larger towns, such as Great Yarmouth and King’s Lynn.

While councillors will be asked to keep considering such cameras, Mr Stephens said: “The equipment is expensive and further work is required, jointly with the police, for officers to understand the financial implications of deploying such systems.”

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29 comments

  • \what are school hours now? Do they include children attending breakfast or after school clubs? How far do the zones stretch,100 or 200 or 300 yards?

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    bedoomed

    Wednesday, February 26, 2014

  • Excellent news …. and not just for the cost saving for the tax payer. It should be the parents sole responsibility to ensure the safety of their children to and from the school gates and then the sole responsibility of the teachers during school hours. Why should the general public have to suffer, either financially or disruptively, just because couples choose to have children and then can’t be bothered to ensure their safety, to and from school?

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    Norfolk John

    Wednesday, February 26, 2014

  • 10 MPH and no overtaking of school buses in the states I understand

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    Anonymous

    Wednesday, February 26, 2014

  • It's not the children who need controlling Norfolk John it's people like you! Writing comments like that. I have two children who attend one of these schools and have a daily battle with the idiotic drivers. How there hasn't been a major accident is beyond me.

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    Only Me

    Wednesday, February 26, 2014

  • I hate, despise and abhor 20mph limits. BUT, put part time 20mph limits outside schools, and speed cameras outside the schools to enforce it. Regular police patrols to ticket illegal parking (on yellow zig zags). I'm sure much money would be raised in a very short time. Also, teach the children and parents how to cross the road safely (Green cross code).

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    Lord Elf

    Wednesday, February 26, 2014

  • If there is a problem, the solution is better drivers and better driving. Anonymous highlights the situation in the first comment: speeding motorists .. when speed is not safe. Maybe most of you were not taught to drive SAFELY and in a manner to suit the road conditions and the situation. There is also an obligation on parents to be responsible for their children. You can't always pass the blame onto someone else.

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    Patrick

    Wednesday, February 26, 2014

  • @parkeg1 'There are no figures to show that children are getting run over outside schools' Probably because figures are not needed. We know it happens (do a goggle search) and it brings up plenty of articles on kids (and lolly pop ladies) being killed or hit by cars. If you lower the speedlimit you increase the reaction time. Its common sense.

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    monkeynuts

    Wednesday, February 26, 2014

  • Not good news, our local school does not meet their work what does it take? A death outside a school from a speeding motorist?

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    Petree

    Wednesday, February 26, 2014

  • Lord Elf how would would you fund such measures without creating debt to start with?

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    NorthCity

    Wednesday, February 26, 2014

  • Good, and yes. 20mph limits should be the standard now in residential areas not just schools. It is nice to see Norwich is implementing more limits around the city. For those who complain. Consider that you are twice a likely to survive being hit by a car traveling at 20 vs 30. And consider that at rush hour the average speed of traffic is normally about 20mph anyway. By asking everyone to slow down it will make next to no difference to journey times, but will make for a better, safer city for all - who knows, kids may get back to cycling to school again and not rely on more and more cars to get them there if the roads where safer. As for the strange comment from Norfolk John '. It should be the parents sole responsibility to ensure the safety of their children'. If you assume that why not have a blanket 60mph speed limit outside of schools? And then blame the parents when a kid or many are killed? Fact is we all have a responsibility to act like adults, getting all upset over what amounts to a 10-20 second delay in your already convenient journey speaks volumes.

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    monkeynuts

    Wednesday, February 26, 2014

  • Before they introduce or enforce anything like this they need to do something about the lazy parents who are too lazy to walk a few yards and insist on parking on the double yellow lines or no parking areas outside schools. That would be a big step in improving safety outside schools, then introduce the speed restrictions but only during school periods, not 24 hours a day.

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    Mr T

    Wednesday, February 26, 2014

  • parkeg1..."There are no figures to show that children are getting run over outside schools....". Only true if you don't bother to look of course. "....Every month more than 1,000 British children are injured on roads near schools, according to researchers.There was the equivalent of six collisions involving vehicles for every single school per year from 2006 to 2011, and while not all of these resulted in injuries, more than a third of school areas reported at least one child casualty each year in the period. The statistics, compiled by the Road Safety Analysis (RSA) research body in collaboration with Axa Car Insurance, found that there was a total of 85,814 children injured on roads within a 500-metre radius of a school, the equivalent of 1,190 a month over the six years analysed...."

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    LARSON.E. WHIPSNADE

    Wednesday, February 26, 2014

  • Only Me - Making the same comments repeatedly, does not make them anymore valid!

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    Norfolk John

    Wednesday, February 26, 2014

  • It is totally the parent's responsibility to ensure the safety of children up to the school gates. I support this speed limit as long as it is only on when schools are starting or finishing, in the event of school trips where the children have to leave the school grounds and that it is permanently OFF during weekends and holidays. One of the biggest problems is of course the lazy parents who pull up on the yellow zig zags and kick the kids out of the car. I see that last week police and parking enforcement officers wer 'giving words of advice' to law breakers who were illegally parking...WHY? surely they should fine them. It is the only way to get though to these fools.

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    IT Man

    Wednesday, February 26, 2014

  • Why would ANYONE have any objection to these measures.Seriously,how much impact can going slightly slower for a couple of hundred meteres in a school zone have to an overall journey time? If you even drive by four or five schools,it's not going to be more than two minutes difference,if that.And yes,also make it clear that irresponsible parking will not be tolerated.And also ensure that all children who cycle have lights on their bikes.Any parent who lets their kids cycle without lights is irresponsible,and should be taken to task for it.

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    Nexus_6

    Wednesday, February 26, 2014

  • The whole central part of our Village is a 20mph ZONE, though people still think its OK to go 40mh through it. 20mph near schools is an absolute must in my opinion. Yes, parents should be responsible for their children. But Drivers should also be ressponsible for their road awareness and the hazards that surround them, if it means slowing down for a matter of moments to ensure the safety of our children, then so be it. I cannot stand people who think its OK to zoom around in our villages where people should be able to walk and travel through safely. SPEEDING KILLS end of!

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    luanmapo

    Wednesday, February 26, 2014

  • A good idea, but will only work if strictly enforced - which does not appear to be the case with town 20mph speed limits. Anonymous is correct - school speed limits everywhere in the USA, strictly enforced with large fines or even jail sentences. Also school buses with lights flashing red cannot be passed anywhere on either side of the road - again strictly enforced. If the NCC needs evidence that these measures save lives they don't have to look far - but as with so many other things in the UK saving money is far more important than people.

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    JB

    Wednesday, February 26, 2014

  • Well said ‘Norfolk John’, the problem is purely down to lazy parents like ‘Only Me’ who seek to blame others, instead of doing their job as a parent and ensuring the safety of their own children. Yes, I have children and I ensure that they are taken to the school gate each day.

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    Voice of Reason

    Wednesday, February 26, 2014

  • It's not the children who need controlling Norfolk John it's people like you! Writing comments like that. I have two children who attend one of these schools and have a daily battle with the idiotic drivers. How there hasn't been a major accident is beyond me.

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    Only Me

    Wednesday, February 26, 2014

  • Look at Lakenham. A lollipop lady turns the crossing into a controlled crossing. Drivers act under her instructions and don't have to stop unless instructed. Hence Controlled. She stands at the side of the road whilst everyone ambles across causing mayhem. Parents park on the yellow lines outside school as well as the crossing zig zags!. Parents bring their children from between parked cars rather than to the crossing. Train the parents and kids.

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    Andy T

    Wednesday, February 26, 2014

  • It's not the children who need controlling Norfolk John it's people like you! Writing comments like that. I have two children who attend one of these schools and have a daily battle with the idiotic drivers. How there hasn't been a major accident is beyond me.

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    Only Me

    Wednesday, February 26, 2014

  • It's not the children who need controlling Norfolk John it's people like you! Writing comments like that. I have two children who attend one of these schools and have a daily battle with the idiotic drivers. How there hasn't been a major accident is beyond me.

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    Only Me

    Wednesday, February 26, 2014

  • Larson.Whatever … your figures just go to show that a very small percentage of parents are being negligent in their parental duties. Don’t blame the innocent motorist for their failings.

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    Norfolk John

    Thursday, February 27, 2014

  • Part time signals but ONLY if there are real needs. I know the St Williams Way school and there is a pedestrian crossing on St Williams way so I don't see any need to restrict traffic on the ring road there. The real problem there is parents who ignore it and deliberately put their children at risk by crossing elsewhere. Other parents there also park dangerously and ignore double yellow lines, park on corners, etc. It also makes no sense to have permanent 20mph limits near schools as already happens in Norwich!

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    andy

    Wednesday, February 26, 2014

  • I think anyone who opposed such a thing is moral void. This would save lives and injury, and would cost motorists a handful of seconds at most before they hit the next set of traffic lights. Is that really too much to ask for? You should be ashamed.

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    monkeynuts

    Thursday, February 27, 2014

  • maybe you should just teach kids to cross the rd,and mothers to unglue the mobile phone from their ear

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    Blocked User

    Wednesday, February 26, 2014

  • It's not the children who need controlling Norfolk John it's people like you! Writing comments like that. I have two children who attend one of these schools and have a daily battle with the idiotic drivers. How there hasn't been a major accident is beyond me.

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    Only Me

    Wednesday, February 26, 2014

  • ....." How there hasn't been a major accident is beyond me"......I suppose it is because accidents are very rare events in any given spot, say 1 in every 10 years.

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    Rhombus

    Wednesday, February 26, 2014

  • There are no figures to show that children are getting run over outside schools, so is this a perceived risk or an actual risk. I'd guess a perceived one. If you change the traffic behaviour and not the children’s behaviour how will they learn about traffic and how cross the road. Those talking about how it works in the states, remember it not road deaths they have over there just shootings, it's not all good.

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    parkeg1

    Wednesday, February 26, 2014

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