A professional child minder has been told she cannot take her five-year-old daughter to a Christmas party because of council rules.

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Samantha Dade wants to be at the party at Hellesdon community centre on Saturday to keep an eye on her daughter, Tilly-Rose, who has diabetes – but has been told she would have to wait outside because she has not been vetted by the organisers, Hellesdon Parish Council. The parish council’s policy states that only adults who are CRB-checked by them are allowed to attend the party.

Mrs Dade, 40, is CRB-checked – but by Norfolk County Council, rather than the parish council.

Fearful of letting her diabetes-suffering daughter go to the party without her there, Mrs Dade says the council has effectively barred Tilly-Rose.

The five-year-old has spent time in hospital because of her diabetes which can lead to her passing out.

Parish clerk Patricia Kirby said the council had already been flexible on their policy by allowing Mrs Dade to bring food for her daughter and giving permission for Tilly-Rose to leave the party and eat her food in the foyer where her mother would be waiting.

Mrs Dade said: “I sincerely hope the organizers of this children’s Christmas party find their Christmas spirit and reverse their decision.

“It was suggested to me that I would be able to sit in the foyer while the party took place and if the supervisors saw Tilly needed help they would fetch me.

“I explained that due to the nature of her disease this would not be possible as Tilly has no ‘hypo awareness’. She is unaware when she is in danger.

“My daughter can walk, run around, talk and feed herself but she has a disease that means without correct supervision from trained individuals she can and will quite simply die.

“She has suffered a lot in the past 18 months and been hospitalised many times with high bloods sugar levels as well as low ones.”

Mrs Dade, a mother of three, has written to the parish council and her MP Chloe Smith.

Mrs Kirby said: “We have relaxed our rules. If Mrs Dade wanted to check on her daughter, she would probably be allowed to check.

“We guarantee to other parents that all the helpers at the party are CRB checked.”

A spokesman for Norfolk County Council which has already carried out a CRB check on Mrs Dade for her job as a child minder, said they paid for enhanced CRBs - the highest level of vetting possible.

Diabetes experts say it is important that children are overseen at all times.

Natasha Marsland, Diabetes UK clinical advisor, said: “Typical symptoms include going pale, feeling tired and changes in behaviour such as feeling moody or stroppy.

“Young children might not notice these symptoms so it is important to have someone on hand who knows what to look out for and knows how to treat a hypo as, if action is not taken quickly enough, it is likely to become more severe and the person may become unconscious.

“Children may also need extra snacks containing carbohydrates if they are being more active, for example running around during a Christmas party.”

It is understood that the parish council will be discussing the affair at its regular meeting tomorrow night.

46 comments

  • Most of these stupid rules and regulations stem from Mr Blair and the last Labour Government, remember that when you vote again!

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    dave123

    Friday, December 7, 2012

  • A one off children's party is not a regulated activity...no legal requirement for CRB checks....So it is discrimination wrapped up in 'safeguarding children' clothing.

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    Rhombus

    Wednesday, December 5, 2012

  • As a registered childminder, I'm sure Ms Dade will understand that CRB checks are non-transferable. I too am a registered childminder and accept that this is not some kind of 'access all areas' pass. The rules are the rules, you have to have a separate check for each setting. Of course, this does not mean the rules are right, and if they're not they need changing, but that's an entirely different issue. Playing the Christmas 'card' and claiming discrimination wont change anything. I can't help but feel sorry for the parish council, most particularly the poor lady whose name is being plastered about. They are simply trying to do their jobs within the stipulated rules. Instead of attacking them in the press it would make more sense to try and work with them to change the rules that are so clearly unworkable.

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    Joolz

    Monday, December 3, 2012

  • Two problems here. The first is that CRB checks are not done on a national basis and held like a driving licence and renewed at set intervals.This would be a great help to people like supply teachers who live close to county boundaries and work for more than one authority or charity workers who move between organizations and institutions. The second problem is that too many officials and bureaucrats are too thick to understand the laws which apply to health and safety and discrimination but too quick to think they know what other people are upset by and to make up their own petty fogging rules. Although one of the posts here is inflammatory, we have seen the worst excesses of councils like West Midlands. Can anyone prove that other communities are any more upset by seeing Xmas celebrated than Christians are by seeing Divali or Eid Al Fitr celebrated? As far as the the parish party is concerned if the mother is genuinely concerned for her child's health then why has not one of the parish councillors shown some compassion and offered to be with the mother all the time during the party as an escort? The government spoke out about this sort of stupidity recently. One wonders if the visiting Father Christmas has the appropriate CRB checks ( or is Father Xmas no longer a feature of little tots parties?)

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    Daisy Roots

    Wednesday, December 5, 2012

  • why would you need and want ..to quote you ......... I too am a registered childminder and accept that this is not some kind of 'access all areas' pass.. please dont atack me for being a childminder with a CRB ..this is a bout a disabled childs carer not being allowed to care for her !

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    Samantha Dade

    Monday, December 3, 2012

  • joolz , a s a fellow childminder i am fully awaer that they cant be transfered that was not the issue this issue is that my daughter is registered disabled and i am registered as her carer and i just so happen to be a childminder with a CRB checked... The have basic first aid i asked ! as a childminder we all have basic first aid but if i was going to accept a child with a special need then i would take further trainning BASIC FISRT AID WILL NOT COVER IT! I did try to talk to them again the next day but was flatly told PUT IT IN WRITTING .. AND I DID !!! she has made a comment to the papers so she gave her name.. and as a childminder you are fully awaer of the discrimniation act???

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    Samantha Dade

    Monday, December 3, 2012

  • So the little girl will miss mummy at a party, im sorry, but even more sorry for the little girls who have no mummy let alone a xmas party to go to, and unless the readers of this paper, norwich city council and the police start to stand up and be counted, Norwich wont even be allowed to celebrate Christmas soon. Norwich City Council have banned decorations in City Hall, Their are no decorations in Bethel St Police Station and the street desplay has been cut by 50%. I have asked all organisations for an explanation, the first wishy-woshy reply you get is "elf n safety", but take time to speak to a council officer privately and you'll be told "We've been toldnot to discuss this, but it offends the muslims". An officer behind the desk at Bethel Street leant forward and told me quietly "Its so when foriegn nationals come in to sign passports and visa etc, they are not offended !!! My friendly council officer also informed me that all stall holders on the market will be informed this week that if they intend to sell "Christmas" tree's etc, they can only do so if they are called "Festive Tree's" !!! Three weekes ago a much aligned (and in my opinion) group marched through Norwich warning us all of the dangers of the muslims and there stranglehold on our once GREAT country - Shame on you who knocked them, Shame on you who are burrying youre heads in the sand. Within a couple of years the little girl you are all bleeting for wont even have a CHRISTMAS to celebrate

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    pubmandave

    Wednesday, December 5, 2012

  • Incidentally, the article doesn't state the level of first aid training of staff supervising at the party. Maybe they have a suitably trained person?

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    Joolz

    Monday, December 3, 2012

  • Just wait till this story goes national. Admit a serious mistake has been made and apologise H.P.C., today!!!

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    bedoomed

    Monday, December 3, 2012

  • Incidentally, the article doesn't state the level of first aid training of staff supervising at the party. Maybe they have a suitably trained person?

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    Joolz

    Monday, December 3, 2012

  • Another question arises who has Hellesdon Parish Council got to supervise this party and where did they get their CRB check from? and of course will ALL members of the Council and their employee's be CRB checked as well? Bah Humbug is alive and well in Hellesdon Parish Council who always do what they want not what the people want.

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    City Boy

    Monday, December 3, 2012

  • Most of these stupid rules and regulations stem from Mr Blair and the last Labour Government, remember that when you vote again!

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    dave123

    Friday, December 7, 2012

  • ....why has not one of the parish councillors shown some compassion and offered to be with the mother all the time during the party as an escort?.....It may well be the case that these particular Councillors may not have been CRB checked themselves...but that doesn't stop them from sitting in judgement of others does it?

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    Rhombus

    Wednesday, December 5, 2012

  • As a registered childminder, I'm sure Ms Dade will understand that CRB checks are non-transferable. I too am a registered childminder and accept that this is not some kind of 'access all areas' pass. The rules are the rules, you have to have a separate check for each setting. Of course, this does not mean the rules are right, and if they're not they need changing, but that's an entirely different issue. Playing the Christmas 'card' and claiming discrimination wont change anything. I can't help but feel sorry for the parish council, most particularly the poor lady whose name is being plastered about. They are simply trying to do their jobs within the stipulated rules. Instead of attacking them in the press it would make more sense to try and work with them to change the rules that are so clearly unworkable.

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    Joolz

    Monday, December 3, 2012

  • I take it Joolz you dont have a child that has diabetes then as this is what this is about, so i take it as you seem to have zero sympathy for Tilly? Should any of the children be in your care with such a life threatening condition need support you would have to check your jobsworth manual too then is that right?

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    melalmighty

    Tuesday, December 4, 2012

  • absolutely disgracful. The mother of such a child shouldn't even have to have a CRB check, she needs to be with her daughter, fullstop, surely someone with some common sense should be able to see this? policies and H&S gone truly mad and as for "the council had already been flexible on their policy by allowing Mrs Dade to bring food for her daughter and giving permission for Tilly-Rose to leave the party and eat her food in the foyer " oh please! flexible be damned, sending a child out to the foyer to eat?, excluding her from that part of the party, poor little girl, sometimes words just defy me!

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    catalonia13

    Tuesday, December 4, 2012

  • If it was me I would tell the parish council where to stuff their party. What a group of heartless jobs worths. This world has gone well and truly mad. I hope when they sit down on Christmas Day tucking into their meal they just think for a minute about the upset they have caused this little girl and her mother for no good reason whatsoever.

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    BG

    Monday, December 3, 2012

  • Joolz - volunteers or not, discrimination is at play here. Maybe you are right and these people will not be inclined to organise future activities; that is their perogative. However, if and when they do organise them, they need to find ways of being acceptably inclusive rather than the insensitive option they put in place this time.

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    AE

    Tuesday, December 4, 2012

  • Where DO these PC idiots come from?

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    Windless

    Monday, December 3, 2012

  • Mrs Kirby says "We guarantee to other parents that all the helpers at the party are CRB checked" Mrs Dade is CRB checked but with a different organisation. Therefore Mrs Dade will have evidence of that CRB check. Therefore the guarantee given by the Parish Council will be met. Seems like a case of petty beaurocracy to me. This, however, is a good example of the fact that you have to have multiple CRB checks if you are involved with multiple organisations which seems to be a bit daft in my mind. It would make sense to have a single register so you have an initial check and each subsequent organisation checks the original regsitartion and makes sure nothing has been added to your "record" since the last check

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    Daveyboy

    Monday, December 3, 2012

  • Thank you everyone ..yes has gone national await the story soon !!!! greta write up though from our local paper..

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    Samantha Dade

    Monday, December 3, 2012

  • TODAY IS INTERNATIONAL DAY OF PERSON'S WITH DISABILITIES - 3 December 2012. The Convention on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities (CRPD) recognizes that the existence of barriers constitutes a central component of disability. Under the Convention, disability is an evolving concept that “results from the interaction between persons with impairments and attitudinal and environmental barriers that hinder their full and effective participation in society on an equal basis with others. Wake up Hellesdon Parish Council! http:www.un.orgdisabilitiesdefault.asp?id=1597 http:www.un.orgdisabilitiesdefault.asp?id=1597 www.un.org http:www.un.orgdisabilitiesdefault.asp?id=1597 www.un.org

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    Samantha Dade

    Monday, December 3, 2012

  • It's a childs party, hardly Mississippi Burning. I get asked to remove my helmet when filling up at petrol stations, now THATS descrimination because obviously I'm a no good, low down dirty biker..... Why should every other childs day be spoilt by a fussing mother getting in the way? If Tilly's condition is that severe then the answer seems obvious, don't take her to the party. And how much "Christmas Spirit" is there in running to the press in the first place thus casting a shadow over the whole for everybody else?

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    frank young

    Wednesday, December 5, 2012

  • Just shows how pathetic the council is. If the CRB check is valid andin date, and from a reliable source (County Council might just count I think) then does it matter? Get a life fools, as use a little common sense. Oh yeah, you can't - you work for the council!

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    markt74

    Tuesday, December 4, 2012

  • frank young - I think you'll find that everyone is expected to remove crash helmets at a filling station, not just motorcyclists. No discrimination there. :)

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    AE

    Wednesday, December 5, 2012

  • It's a childs party, hardly Mississippi Burning. I get asked to remove my helmet when filling up at petrol stations, now THATS descrimination because obviously I'm a no good, low down dirty biker..... Why should every other childs day be spoilt by a fussing mother getting in the way? If Tilly's condition is that severe then the answer seems obvious, don't take her to the party. And how much "Christmas Spirit" is there in running to the press in the first place thus casting a shadow over the whole for everybody else?

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    frank young

    Wednesday, December 5, 2012

  • Shocking. How does the parish's actions compare the Equality Act? Perhaps they'd prefer her to go to party, followed by a bout of DKA and a hospital visit. And Joolz, your views are somewhat odd.

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    Kev Winchcombe

    Monday, December 3, 2012

  • so a young girl cannot attend a party including her mother in full view of a lot of other adults what world do they live in ;this is a good example of kicking a young person when they need all the help to live a normal life .we all know you have to be careful but as he mum has already been checked what is the problem.have all these councillors been checked before the walk into any hellesdon school

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    AOTWAY@BTINTERNET.COM

    Thursday, December 6, 2012

  • If it was me I would tell the parish council where to stuff their party. What a group of heartless jobs worths. This world has gone well and truly mad. I hope when they sit down on Christmas Day tucking into their meal they just think for a minute about the upset they have caused this little girl and her mother for no good reason whatsoever.

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    BG

    Monday, December 3, 2012

  • Incidentally, the article doesn't state the level of first aid training of staff supervising at the party. Maybe they have a suitably trained person?

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    Joolz

    Monday, December 3, 2012

  • In applying these rules, this council is quite simply saying that they will only allow able-bodies children to attend. Isn't that a clear case of discrimination? This is a child who is being deprived of a party that, but for her disability, she would be "allowed" to attend. What sort of solution do they think it is to make a child eat alone and an xmas party? Reminds me of a certain "back of the bus" policy America had until the 60's. As someone said earlier, where DO these riduliculous, heartless jobsworths come from and how come they all work for councils?

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    Only Me

    Tuesday, December 4, 2012

  • As a registered childminder, I'm sure Ms Dade will understand that CRB checks are non-transferable. I too am a registered childminder and accept that this is not some kind of 'access all areas' pass. The rules are the rules, you have to have a separate check for each setting. Of course, this does not mean the rules are right, and if they're not they need changing, but that's an entirely different issue. Playing the Christmas 'card' and claiming discrimination wont change anything. I can't help but feel sorry for the parish council, most particularly the poor lady whose name is being plastered about. They are simply trying to do their jobs within the stipulated rules. Instead of attacking them in the press it would make more sense to try and work with them to change the rules that are so clearly unworkable.

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    Joolz

    Monday, December 3, 2012

  • This is discusting. It's blatant discrimination against a child with a hidden disability. I have a 6 yr old daughter with Diabetes and I know the amount of supervision needed, especially at parties. I think that Tilly's mum is right to kick up a stink and expose this close minded, mean behaviour. As long the parish council have seen evidence of the enhanced CRB check that has been done to enable Mrs Dade to become a childminder then there should be no issue at all. I hope that something is done and the parish council are made to back down. I bet there would be no problem if a child in a wheelchair needed their parent for assistance.

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    Kirsty Swift

    Monday, December 3, 2012

  • The organisers of this event are volunteers, not paid city or county council workers, so making unkind comments about them will not encourage them to run events in the future. They have to work within the rules or they would be hung out to dry if things went wrong. This is the very reason why so many other towns and villages are now shying away from running evens such as this. If you can't work with the rules work around them. Mrs Dade could get a CRB check and volunteer as a helper at the event as a way round it? I imagine that is how she will keep an eye on her daughter at other events such as swimming, dancing, brownies, school etc

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    Joolz

    Tuesday, December 4, 2012

  • The organisers of this event are volunteers, not paid city or county council workers, so making unkind comments about them will not encourage them to run events in the future. They have to work within the rules or they would be hung out to dry if things went wrong. This is the very reason why so many other towns and villages are now shying away from running evens such as this. If you can't work with the rules work around them. Mrs Dade could get a CRB check and volunteer as a helper at the event as a way round it? I imagine that is how she will keep an eye on her daughter at other events such as swimming, dancing, brownies, school etc

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    Joolz

    Tuesday, December 4, 2012

  • I know Hellesdon Parish Council wish to protect the children at the party but surely if Norfolk County Council have done a CRB check on the Mum in question to enable her to become a childminder then that should suffice. The Mum needs to be with her child to supervise the energy she is using to administer extra carbohydrates should they be needed. It is Christmas after all and all the children love a party and to deny one little girl seems very heartless.

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    vschems

    Monday, December 3, 2012

  • Shame on Hellesdon Parish Council, an enhanced CRB check, if good enough for Norfolk County Council to enable the mother to be a child minder, should be good enough for the lowly Parish Council who obviously has let a little power apparently go to their heads. Tilly-Rose at 5 years of age is hardly capable of managing her diabetes control herself so her mother should be there to supervise. It is essential that the little girl should be able to be the same as the other children as far as her diet will allow her and by making her leave the party to eat in the foyer is hardly doing that. It is bad enough for a child seeing others eating food they cannot eat without making the situation even worse by segregating her. I just hope the Jobsworth at Hellesdon Parish Council come to their senses and let the mother supervise her little girl in the way she knows best, so she can enjoy the party with the other children. Diabetic control with young children is far from easy and it should not be made worse by ignorance.

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    mike smith

    Monday, December 3, 2012

  • Shame on the council. Blatent discrimination without very shaky justification for their actions.

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    AE

    Tuesday, December 4, 2012

  • I am a children's entertainermagician and am CRB checked but by Mencap of East Dereham. Oh, I couldn't work at the party unless the Parish Council did a CRB check on me they are saying. Well if they are so petty about a Mrs Dade, a registered childminder who has enhanced CRB certificate form NCC then if they asked me to work for them I would simply refuse. I cammot and will not work for people like this. I will admit I have entertained at numerous children's parties at Hellesdaon Community Centre but they have been privately booked. www.abracadabramagic.co.uk

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    Christopher Neave

    Monday, December 3, 2012

  • Incidentally, the article doesn't state the level of first aid training of staff supervising at the party. Maybe they have a suitably trained person?

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    Joolz

    Monday, December 3, 2012

  • Discrimination comes to mind.

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    melalmighty

    Monday, December 3, 2012

  • The organisers of this event are volunteers, not paid city or county council workers, so making unkind comments about them will not encourage them to run events in the future. They have to work within the rules or they would be hung out to dry if things went wrong. This is the very reason why so many other towns and villages are now shying away from running evens such as this. If you can't work with the rules work around them. Mrs Dade could get a CRB check and volunteer as a helper at the event as a way round it? I imagine that is how she will keep an eye on her daughter at other events such as swimming, dancing, brownies, school etc

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    Joolz

    Tuesday, December 4, 2012

  • As a young man I was shown that rules are for the guidance of wise men and the obedience of fools. To some extent this could apply in this case. Let's hope that common sense will prevail.

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    Yorky

    Monday, December 3, 2012

  • who does the parish council go to to get thier CRB checks?? i would think the same place as the norfolk county council!! if not who,s is the most legal form of CRB check??? the county council has for years always had the most stringent check. i also wonder who in a parish council has the right to look into a persons personal past life. after alll a parish council can be over-ridden by a county council??

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    i am mostly wrong??

    Monday, December 3, 2012

  • If she isn't is a helper for the other children in the party and just a carer of her child then legally surely no CRB check would be required. I suspect there may be some unstated prejudice against the mother or child.

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    Cyril the Canary

    Tuesday, December 4, 2012

  • Safety gone mad. She has been CRB checked so what is the problem? The Parish Council are acting like idiots.

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    Norfolk Lad

    Monday, December 3, 2012

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