Fears for Norwich market’s future as 41 stalls stand empty

Some of the unoccupied stalls at Norwich Market. Some of the unoccupied stalls at Norwich Market.

Saturday, August 9, 2014
4:24 PM

More than a fifth of stalls in Norwich Market are standing empty, and today there are calls for City Hall – and the public – to do more to help it thrive.

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The traders’ view

Here’s what traders on the market had to say.

■ Carole Black, from Norwich Goldsmiths, said: “Anything that brings more people to the market is good, even more food stores, as all people want to eat and drink.

“The increasing amount of empty stores is worrying.”

■ Shaun Reid, at No.6 Shoe Repairs, said: “Empties are a big issue. There are far too many empty stores. More food stores wouldn’t impact my business, though if I had a food store, I’d feel differently.”

■ Robert Folland, from Folland Organics said: “If a new store comes in copying another, its no good, people are attracted to diversity. The empties are incredibly disheartening.”

■ Barry Butcher, from Ron’s Fish and Chips, said: “I think the council have got the balance right. It’s a real job filling the stores up.

“The market is struggling already, more food stores would damage it. We can’t just have all food stores.”

A snapshot survey of the city’s famous market found that 21pc of the stalls are currently vacant, with traders speaking of their concerns over the impact that has on footfall.

Meanwhile, there are claims Norwich City Council, which says 41 of the 189 stalls are empty, is making it too hard for new stallholders to set up shop.

Today, council bosses were urged to do more to bring new business to the area – while a call to arms has also gone out to the public to give it more support.

But city council bosses insist they are committed to making the market, which was reopened in 2006 after a £4m-plus revamp, a success.

Use it or lose it

Norwich’s two MPs have encouraged people to use Norwich market, or risk losing it.

Chloe Smith, pictured below, Norwich North MP, said: “We all want to see Norwich market vibrant and healthy, and for it to be run with common sense. I try to use the market whenever I can, and I think it’s one of the real strengths of our city.

“I will join forces with the Evening News to encourage people to use it and love it.”

She added she was such a fan of the market that she bought her wedding day earrings there.

Norwich South MP Simon Wright said: “Ultimately, for the long-term future of the market, it’s absolutely crucial that people make the most of what we have in the heart of our city.

“It contributes so much to the vitality of our city centre and of course we need to support it.”

Current Norwich Market stalls

The debate comes after a petition questioning the council’s approach garnered more than 200 signatures. George Colley, 24, set it up after he was knocked back with his application to open a stone baked pizza oven stall on the market.

Mr Colley, who lives off Earlham Road, said: “I applied to them and was told they would have to turn me down. They said they have reached their quota for food and refreshment stalls.

“They say their policy is for a ‘broad mix’ and that because of that they are not accepting any more applications. But the way commerce is going, I think the market needs to change.

“I have a sister who is 17 and she’s never been on the market as there’s no reason to. I don’t want to see more stalls close; I want a younger generation to enjoy the market as it was enjoyed so many years ago. Times have changed and we need to accept that.”

Among those who signed Mr Colley’s petition was Alex Cooper, of Nom Catering, one of three street traders behind the Feast On The Street collective, which holds monthly events at The Forum.

He said: “This is something I investigated at the birth of my business and had blank expressions and bewilderment at my request of starting in the market. Support is non-existent and the politics of the market stalls is ridiculous.”

However, a spokesman for Norwich City Council said the issue was not as simple as making one of the empty stalls available to Mr Colley. She said: “There are 41 food businesses on the market, some of which rent more than one stall. These are comprised of 15 low risk and 20 high risk – high risk being those requiring specific utilities such as electricity, gas, water and drainage.

“Businesses preparing and cooking food on-site require these facilities under current Food and Safety Act legislation. We do not currently have any of these kinds of stalls available for rent and this is the category of stall which would be required for making and selling pizza.

“Norwich Market is important to the city and our plan is to work with traders to make it as successful as possible.”

She added: “Our policy is to ensure there is a broad mix of products and services on offer at Norwich Market, so it is as vibrant and diverse as possible. We also have a duty to be fair to our existing stallholders.”

The spokesman added: “We promote the market in various ways. Just last week we had a Making Markets Matter national event there to raise its profile.

“We also use our Citizen magazine and advertise in the national Markets magazine. We would be keen to hear from anyone who has a business requiring a standard stall to contact us if they are interested in trading on Norwich Market.”

The council leased 14 stalls between July 1 last year and July 1 this year.

Mr Colley’s petition is at http://chn.ge/1svhC5h

61 comments

  • Farmers markets seem to be successful so maybe we need to make the most of this and encourgae similar stalls to the Market. Sell products that can't be purchased in main stream shops. We have to offer diversity for customers.

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    Gazza

    Tuesday, August 12, 2014

  • Some great suggestions here by all. I doubt if any councillors or officers are likely to read or pay attention to this valid and representative thread; they are all on holiday with with their eyes off the ball! Or is this me being cynical?

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    Rob Whittle

    Monday, August 11, 2014

  • Perhaps a delegation of entrepreneurial, open minded,creative,forward thinking, councillors should visit the likes of Borough Food Market in London to see how it should be done.After years of allowing this to flourish into a Mecca of fresh food delight,.its now a tourist attraction. Heaven forbid that the council should allow food stores along the Gentlemans walk side of the market. Why are there no stalls to eat food there ? Or indeed along the back and the sides. Instead there are sixty A boards scattered in the middle of the street to fall over advertising food available some where in the middle. Our two fresh vegetable stalls are truly fantastic to look at however. Vibrant,alive, colourful, wonderful fresh produce..At Whitecross Market London,it attracts at least a dozen different types of world cuisine takeaway food from free standing stalls, with very dangerous gas bottles waiting to blow up their customers. I jest of course.It attracts a wonderful cross section of people. Onto Broadwaymarket,where yum bun Blythburgh pork belly, hoi sin chillisauce and fresh cucumber is served. Argentinian, Jamaicain, Thai, South Korean, Vietnamese to mention a few of the inventive food stalls from around the globe that can be found. Some markets like Dalston have night food stalls that stay open until eleven thus engaging people to stay and eat during the evening. People eating , talking, socialising, using the space as markets should be.There's a real heartbeat and soul.Then we could mention all the yearly food competitions between the stalls and across the boroughs.. from the best curry to the best burger. .But no, gas and electricity issues to consider. Not available in Norwich,due to health and safety reasons, and something the council call diversity. Wake up for heavens sake to the new and vibrant use of markets, not just in London but around the country and across Europe. More fresh food produce from local producers. More temporary use of pop up stalls for weekend use for the young start up budding restaurateurs and food producers. Don't hide them in the middle of the market. I understand the council think this drags people in to look at short term Pound stalls. You can find Pound land on St. Stephens and they are brilliant. The council have old style thinking, blinkered. Our market is a scene from the seventies, its old . Get out and look how it should be done in this new era of loving world creative food. Imagine. Visit Norwich,Gentlemans Walk the food haven of East Anglia,Fresh bread, cheeses, meats,vegetables,traditional fry ups, mixed with some Cajun,Korean, Seoul Food, Indian, Mexican,Italian Pizza and of course good old fish and chips. The Times They Are A- Changing...... with some councils.

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    philipbrownemenswear

    Monday, August 11, 2014

  • Andy, your comment is bang on. City Hall is all for draconian bans for skaters, rather than use their empty Chapelfield site to build an appropriate skatepark in the inner City. Eaton Park is far too dangerous for young people, there are no shops nearby, so the youngsters do not use it much.

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    ingo wagenknecht

    Monday, August 11, 2014

  • My comments are obviously sarcastic! The City Council need to reduce the rates and make the place more user friendly. Keep the toilet open on a Sunday. The extra cost on your Council tax will be less than 1p per household.

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    Andy T

    Monday, August 11, 2014

  • If its past its sell by date then a few alternative uses could be a skate board park to keep the kids off the memorial, or an extended car park to allow those that do want to spend money to take their goods back to their cars rather than carry them around all day.

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    Andy T

    Monday, August 11, 2014

  • There are many people living in the surrounding towns and villages who's highlight of the week is to jump on a bus or in their car and head for the city and many of these make a beeline for the market as they have been doing for hundreds of years, the market has lost its variety of cheap bargain goods, more clothes stalls are needed, fruit and veg are good but cheaper on yarmouth market. customers will always be the older generation.

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    gerry mitson

    Monday, August 11, 2014

  • Ingo, much agreed. Rents have to come down. We need to support stallholders,local businesses. If canopy roofs aren't,t been properly power cleaned, pigeon infestations not been properly dealt with, maintenance jobs not been tackled quickly, or stealth charging for this; this is simply not on from the council and Norse. Security is not their after dark and its a place to avoid! Stalls need to extend opening to 5.30pm at least. Markets are a place of purchaseexchange, not archade games or skate boarding. A covered central court is needed, with cafe cafes, seating, planted areas ,WiFi coverage as a service area, , perhaps taking out 4 to 16 stalls centrally, currently the market is too much like a rabbit warren of beach huts. There are two choices for the council, sort it out or see the death of the market on your watch! No stallholders=no rent.

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    Rob Whittle

    Monday, August 11, 2014

  • Agree with Capri, a good debate for once. It seems that many of us mentioned high rents for a dismal maintenance regime and a rather remote management of the market. It can be revamped and I like Robs Idea, but it has to be under a proper roof. I reiterate my H&S point, it is the management of the council that is responsible to alleviate the infestation and the cathedral has shown us how it can be done.

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    ingo wagenknecht

    Sunday, August 10, 2014

  • People have very short memories. When it was decided to re-vamp the market a competition was held to design the new space. Some very innovative, and beautiful, designs were submitted with open spaces for people to sit. They were all dismissed because the stall holders at the time did not want to lose pitches and, presumably because the Council wanted to make the maximum revenue from the site. Eventually the shoddy looking tin sheds appeared. Managers need to examine how successful markets on the continent operate. Maybe they also ought to be prepared to offer short leases to stall holders who might want to operate only in the tourist season. The whole area is an eyesore with shoddy toilets and the stench of cheap food enveloping our War Memorial which people use as place to eat rather than respect our war dead. Of course the Council wanted to leave that where it was so they had a showpiece in front of City Hall on Remembrance Sunday. The whole market space needs to be redesigned and the number of stalls reduced. As things are they are never going to be fully tenanted.

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    bumble7

    Sunday, August 10, 2014

  • Myself and my business partner applied for a stall a couple of months back to boost our gaming business ( which is thriving very well) the "market manager" was very unhelpful and had to be chased constantly for answers . We had to visit the market and "pick a stall " not knowing if it was available or not , then apply with our idea . We done this and researched products on the stalls already there . The response we got was " there are two DVD stalls already on the market and due to this we can't licence you to have a stall but we are happy for you to have a stall for disc cleaning service you offer " also the stall we picked ( which had a huge sign above saying available to rent " was supposedly in available ! Now obviously we couldn't take this on just cleaning disks to pay the rent so refused to take one on but asked If there was any chance of a waiting list if one of the two DVD stalls left for us to then have a chance of reapplying , our reply back was "thanks for your interest in the market " ! The whole application is a joke especially when city hall is just over the road and could easily walk over and take the time to do the process properly ! If they took the time and effort to fill these plots then maybe people would take a walk round instead of looking at boarded up stalls most the way through

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    Aron Syder

    Sunday, August 10, 2014

  • This thread is much better than most. In the very competitive retail sector today an old style market will find it hard to compete. Suggesting rents are too high is a common concern raised by posters on articles such as this one. On this occasion I agree - too many stalls are empty, so cut rents The City is busy with pedestrians. Stopping cars going from Westlegate to Chapelfield North makes no difference to footfall.as there is no access to main car parks along that route.

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    Capri

    Sunday, August 10, 2014

  • Mooseyt4 you seem to have a chip on your shoulder. Watch out for the hungry Seagulls

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    che bramley

    Sunday, August 10, 2014

  • Sadly, the Market is no longer relevant in a computer age. Plus the opening hours only suit the unemployed and pensioners. It never occurs to me to actually use it as a shopping resource as it's shut on Sunday (my only day off), on my way to work and on my way home. The last time I tried to shop there the person who ran the stall had 'popped' out and there was no one serving so I went elsewhere. The place is full of cheap tat stores that offer low quality 'Pound shop' type stuff, yet the Council restricts food stalls that might actually offer an alternative to chips as they want to retain tat stalls? More cheese wholefood different foods etc might just save the Market.

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    Fluffy Cat

    Sunday, August 10, 2014

  • And no it has nothing to do with buses not stopping outside it, plenty of cities are pedestrianised or blocked off to cars and thrive, sadly there are a lot of old duffers who believe they have a right to drive anywhere. I wish they would **** off and shop out of town instead of just using empty threats that they will do it every week. They're the past anyway, the young to middle aged users of the city seem perfectly fine without driving to the city

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    Mooseyt4

    Sunday, August 10, 2014

  • che you are like a broken record, I don't think you realise that the world has changed and that your idol was actually a nasty ki11er only respected by silly misguided teens. this is a Capitalist society not Communist, yes the council charge rent!

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    Mooseyt4

    Sunday, August 10, 2014

  • A good balanced debate today with some very salient points.Perhaps we should all be Councilors,up there in Brendas big house,oh no far too proper thinking people.

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    PaulH

    Sunday, August 10, 2014

  • Markets are dying everywhere; the reason is that low cost goods can be bought elsewhere these days. But good on your local papers for allowing so many comments and free debate; our Archant papers based in Ipswich seem to think that censorship is their role.

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    Johnthebap

    Sunday, August 10, 2014

  • The solution is to either: A) Lower the rents and allow for a lot more food stalls. B) Move the market into the Castle Mall.

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    I LoveNorfolk

    Sunday, August 10, 2014

  • OK, you wanna pay more council tax to get the conveniences open on a Sunday? I think not! And you've got Norse doing the repairs because the private sector is soooo much more efficient than the bad old days of (direct labour) City Works. Isn't it? ;-)

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    marty r

    Saturday, August 9, 2014

  • Norwich always look busy when I go in so if the market fails to attract business maybe it has had its day. Smiffy is not the only person to have felt ripped off there

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    JohnnyH

    Saturday, August 9, 2014

  • Still people miss the point, The Council charge to much for stall rents, charge service and maintenance fees, and offer less and less. Prime example some stalls open on a Sunday are the Public Toilets open for the Public NO. Are they open when there is a International or World Market on Gentlemans Walk where stall holders pay no rent, cause the wonderful Norwich Event Team, of course they are. Maybe Norwich City Council needs to look at it's own actions rather than looking to divert blame elsewhere, but then that is what they have a perfected art of. Get your own house in order Norwich City Council if that is ever possible !

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    che bramley

    Saturday, August 9, 2014

  • Gismo the word "you " occurs in your comment many times. Quite which "you's " referred to is unclear. It seems that one of your points is the closure of streets affecting market visitors. Take a walk one day and it will be quite obvious that no matter what day of the week there is a stream of pedestrians walking past the market. On a Saturday the stream becomes a flood. The market is not really fit for purpose and traditionally used to be a place for cheaper goods. No so today.

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    norman hall

    Saturday, August 9, 2014

  • you have all missed one important reason why the market is failing, empty stalls,faulty electrics etc. The closure of various streets to traffic is discouraging visitors to come here. Once you wait in a queue (e.g Rampant Horse Street for 20 minutes because of the closure of Chapelfield North). You decide that out of town shopping centres are more vehicle & shoppers friendly. St.Stephens is next on the list, then the new privately enforced cctv camera system will discourage more shoppers who come by car. The council think that if you spend £millions by building bus lanes that car drivers will abandon their cars and use buses well dream on. I am 67 . have 7 bus services go past my door and a free pass how do i prefer to go into Norwich? CAR.

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    gismo

    Saturday, August 9, 2014

  • Albert Cooper clearly you are from a generation that remember the old sytle market which as you say had temporary stalls, where traders had to wheel their stock from what is again as you say is the Memorial Gardens. I used to help out on the old record stall occasionally and can remember the fun of pushing crates of records up the slope from the underground storage area, brilliant in the Winter months when the market was like an Ice Rink, in those days the stalls looked much cleaner than they are today. here is something for Dan Grimmer to ask the Norwich City Council. Why is it year on year only a few rows of the new market are steam cleaned and jet washed for say 2 weeks, only for the work to suddenly stop. When it starts again the original cleaned areas are a complete mess, and I am sure a health hazard considering the number of food stalls on the market. Again look again at the actions of this Council of ours, who takes takes takes, and never gives gives gives in return !!! Oh and can Archant actually state how this story actually come about,? Disgruntled person who could not open a new store or something which is of a bigger picture. Over to you Archant you have my contact details !

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    che bramley

    Saturday, August 9, 2014

  • Norwich is one of the finest,if not, the finest City in the UK. The market is a disgrace. The stalls are presented in a narrow sloping enclosed space. It has no colour or vibrancy. The market has stood on this ground for centuries and at the time of the revamp a professional team should have been commissioned to over -see the process . It may be better to bite the bullet and get rid of the present set up and start again. Norwich deserves a fine market.

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    norman hall

    Saturday, August 9, 2014

  • When the Market was revamped it should have been closed in . An aluminium roof with coloured panels to look like market stalls . The Indoor Market in Magdalen Street , now Roys , was the sort of place that people want these days . warm and cosy . As for the pigeons - cull them , just tree rats .

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    dragonfly

    Saturday, August 9, 2014

  • Yet when the continental market is there at Easter for example, that market is packed! Could it be people no longer want to buy cheap toot more akin to snetterton market?

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    Barny

    Saturday, August 9, 2014

  • An interfering Socialist Council stares you in the face,The Market should return to its roots "temporary" stalls which can be cleared to reveal a square for many, uses the Stall stored underneath Te Memorial Gardens as the original plan

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    Albert Cooper

    Saturday, August 9, 2014

  • Ingo, I did mention a covered central area. The council do need to tackle the pigeon popn. Its getting out of control again. The council are failing here. The rents are obviously too high for small local businesses. With Norse serving poorly. It does feel a claustrophobic warren environment. The council need to to make some big decisions fast before the market collapses, an entity that has been here for centuries. I'd agree with the view that stalls should stay open longer until 5.30-6pm to capture business of office workers leaving work at 5pm. Its up to stallholders though.

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    Rob Whittle

    Saturday, August 9, 2014

  • Che Bramley working hard for a living is a " normal" thing is it not? I have spent all of my working life in customer relations in various different guises, never have I been rude or impolite to a customer even though some have pushed me to consider it. If the market traders expect us to shop with them then they need to improve their customer service skills. There is NO excuse for rudeness and people have voted with their feet.

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    smiffy

    Saturday, August 9, 2014

  • Smiffy. I have known some market traders since the age of 13 I am now 43 this year. They work so hard for their living sometimes working from 6am-8pm 6 days a week. Unfortunately for them the system is trying its best to finish off their very own businesses which they have worked very hard for. Maybe it is customers like yourself that are the bigger issue here :)

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    che bramley

    Saturday, August 9, 2014

  • I hate the market with a passion. Some of the stall holders are rude, miserable and ungrateful with barely a Thank you to be had. This has put me off venturing into the hooded depths of the rest of it. I walk all the way round it rather than through it, Godforsaken place. And it's not just since the re-vamp either. Pfftt!!

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    smiffy

    Saturday, August 9, 2014

  • People need to realise that is simply noit a case of what stall holders sell at the end of the day, it is about what those stall holders are charged for the likes of rent, business rates, service or maintanance charges and VAT. There are certain stall that are not charged VAT due to the stalls location. Norwich Citry Council has got greedy by increasing Rents year on year, and cutting back the services it charges for. The stalls are owned by Norwich City Council, but when shutters no longer work, the stall holder has to pay for repairs, and often out of hours, when they have to call an emergency number. As usual the repairs are carried oput by the PNORSE Group as I like to call them. That means that stall holders are simply charged far more than they would have been under what was once known as City Works. Everything was under one roof not for services to be split up, this is why things fail. Go back to basics then maybe small local traders could survive on the Market place. It seems Norwich City Council is diverting their attention to supporting the likes of Chapelfield and Castle Mall shopping Centres, cause if those Malls Advertise in Citizen Magazine which they do, and guess what? That publication is actually published by Norwich City Council. Is anyone seeing the bigger picture here, about what the Norwich City Council main objectives really are? To the people with braincells it is clearly obvious what the overall objective is, in a few years time the Norwich Market will be no more and there will be another City Hotal Complex built in its place. You might gets a good nights sleep at a Premier Inn, but if you are a Market Trader on the Market today, the only thing you will experience are Nightmaires !

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    che bramley

    Saturday, August 9, 2014

  • It simply means the price is too high - this is a market and the market sets the rent. If it is too high businesses close and new ones do not enter the market. Job for the city council - oh damn...!

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    Richard Woods

    Saturday, August 9, 2014

  • The market was fun once. No longer. Though it has become more boring and banal, it cannot compete with on-line shopping.

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    Mad Brewer

    Saturday, August 9, 2014

  • It seems such a shame that there are people willing to rent the pitches but can't do so as the council already have their 'quota'. New buisnesses need a chance to start and thrive and the council should be encouraging this!!

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    Eliza76

    Saturday, August 9, 2014

  • The expensive replacement of old stalls with new shiny, but faulty new stalls and increased rents has prompted people to leave. The policy on food stalls is fraud with hypocrissy as City Hall is unwilling to control the pigeon vermin, its maintenance regime is non existent, as one look at the filthy, non working, hydraulical rain covers suggests. City Hall has been running this market down and they have no intentions to provide a nesting place for a natural predator on its watchtower, the best solution for up to 1000 people who eat at the market every day. Its cllrs. and officers who have neglected H&S, now the market is loosing business due to the filth and stallholders are shutting shop. I would not like to sit in a central, open position within the market, Rob, nibbling on a croissant whilst being watched by opportunist pigeons.

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    ingo wagenknecht

    Saturday, August 9, 2014

  • The stalls have got to be what people want-if they stayed open longer more people might buy stuff to take home for their evening meal or eat street-market food. I am not in Norwich often but the cheese stall is a must when I am and the green grocery stalls are far better than supermarkets they have produce supermarkets never stock. Needs more to draw people in to the centre. It is claustrophobic since the redesign. Perhaps it needs more clustering by stall type than now-and definitely better direction signs on the market itself-but I have probably missed layout maps showing which stalls are where.

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    Daisy Roots

    Saturday, August 9, 2014

  • The problem is a simple one, rent set to high, business rates, service charges and VAT is the reason for stalls remaining empty. To get new businesses lower the rent to a realistic amount, and 12 month business rate grace period. Has nothing to do with lack of bus routes. Look at the Norwich City Council for this happening!

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    che bramley

    Saturday, August 9, 2014

  • My main problem with the market is that it closes up or falls asleep too early. If there were more stalls open between 5 and 6 in the evening I could give it more custom.

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    gilded beams

    Saturday, August 9, 2014

  • Firstly: “There are 41 food businesses on the market .... ... These are comprised of 15 low risk and 20 high risk .." No, either 'they comprise 15 low risk ..etc' or 'they consist of 15 low risk ...etc' NOT 'comprise of ...'. that's the mistake too many estate agents make. Secondly: a lot of good points about money being spent on white elephant traffic 'schemes' --- people need to be encouraged into the market --- do the citizens of Norwich want their money handed out by the council in subsidies to shore up certain businesses? Income is what is needed .. never mind an allocation of food stalls ... if they are all food stalls only the best will survive etc and etc.

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    Patrick

    Saturday, August 9, 2014

  • The marketplace is too formal. The rents are too expensive. Who wants to lug vast bagful's of expensive tat from Norwich market, when you can have the same delivered to your doorstep, after buying it cheaper online. Norwich is no longer the shopping centre of Norfolk.

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    AssaRummunInnit?

    Saturday, August 9, 2014

  • The market is part of Norwich history and needs more support ,doesn't matter how many food stalls there are as long as they are different and more bargain clothes stalls are needed, since the revamp the stall roofs have become filthy , get them cleaned the old market had so much more character .a

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    gerry mitson

    Saturday, August 9, 2014

  • Being a stall holder and closing in sept, the rents and rates are to high, the council don't advertise or help promote the stalls and the weather batters us, not the councils fault but an undercover market when revamped would have been the sensible thing. There are two many lay abouts that frequent the market and not enough pretty decor to encourage people. It's a lost cause I'm afraid.

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    ginivestar

    Saturday, August 9, 2014

  • Jeez, surely the number of food stalls is irrelevant when 20% of stalls are vacant. How much is it to rent anyway? They don't exactly advertise and encourage small business.

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    oldowl

    Saturday, August 9, 2014

  • When the old market stalls were replaced with the sterile new prefabricate units we see today the writing was on the wall for Norwich Market. Whether by design or mistake the market has lost its unique character which made it such an interesting part of the city to visit. Now the place has become lifeless and a shadow of its former self. Don't be surprised if the rot continues and the market disappears because it's looking distinctly like that is going to happen!

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    Bad Form

    Saturday, August 9, 2014

  • Quotas for different types of stall? Bonkers - why should anyone decide how many of anything there should be on the market? The public vote with their feet should a business start up - if it's needed people will go - if not people won't and the business will fold. All seems to be about little cottage industries within the council for some council workers. A slightly communistic whiff about it somehow...!

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    lockers

    Saturday, August 9, 2014

  • So the sorry collection of pseudo beach huts is losing tenants? Those of us who find getting into the city increasingly expensive and difficult can tell you why! Perhaps some of the money being spent on the councils latest traffic folly could be invested in the market,and rents reduced,no that would be far too sensible!

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    Harry Rabinowitz

    Saturday, August 9, 2014

  • Supermarkets and pound shops are killing the market, there is little that can be done, the council seems unwilling to offer incentives, just quoting rules and regulations shows how backward their thinking is.

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    Rob_H

    Saturday, August 9, 2014

  • Supermarkets and pound shops are killing the market, there is little that can be done, the council seems unwilling to offer incentives, just quoting rules and regulations shows how backward their thinking is.

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    Rob_H

    Saturday, August 9, 2014

  • The Norwich market layout is claustrophobic and gloomy. Hardly can call it vibrant ... more like a dull thud.

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    expat

    Saturday, August 9, 2014

  • The council needs to look at other markets, such as in London, and look at what types of businesses are missing. I'd like to see bus services return to dropping off at the Guildhall, the new Issac Newton or outside City Hall. I think buses can come in closer than Castle Mall, St Stephens or the Bus station. I'm not to keen on cheap burgers and squirty wholesale ketchup, and cheap tea out of polystyrene cups. Get some decent covered sitting areas in the centre, take 4 stalls out in the central area, with wooden chairs, lush planting, some artwork, quality teashops with China where folk can sit and meet.

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    Rob Whittle

    Saturday, August 9, 2014

  • I don't know when the opening hours of the market are. I don't know what is actually in the market as there are no signs leaflets to tell me. I don't wander in because of the smell of cheap burgers and chips. If the Council has reached its quota for food stalls, when will the tat quota be reached, some of it is like a bad car boot. And is it the Council's job to protect the traders that are there from possibly more popular new food stalls, this is a free market after all and the good ones will survive and the bad ones fade away. Doing the above will possibly raise the standard of the whole place and make it more user friendly for everyone.

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    RV2008

    Saturday, August 9, 2014

  • If it is going to prosper it needs ot reposition itself - look at what does well elsewhere. Anyone been to the fantastic Barca market, truly vibrant and alluring. Even the foreign markets that tour excel by differmtiating. Not everyone wants cheap tat....

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    andy bygrave

    Saturday, August 9, 2014

  • This council is not interested in motivated small self employed traders.They only champion the ones on the edge of society,who vote for them and keep them in power.

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    PaulH

    Saturday, August 9, 2014

  • Disgusted of Norwich South

    Saturday, August 9, 2014

  • I have no idea what time the market closes nor do I expect all stall holders would want to be open late, but it seems to me that since more and more people are living within walking distance of the market, in new apartment conversions etc., an evening market for after work shopping would be quite an attraction and that food stalls would also be nice in the evening in the summer.

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    Daisy Roots

    Saturday, August 9, 2014

  • "They said they have reached their quota for food and refreshment stalls." I work just up the street from the Market and would quite happily frequent somewhere doing good quality, NYC style pizza slices for lunch. I'm not sure how the council's "broad mix" policy works exactly when there's at least half a dozen shops in the market selling the same old, tired British cafe-style rubbish fast food.

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    boydlee

    Saturday, August 9, 2014

  • The growth in the number of £ shops has caused a lot of loss of trade while others have got used to choosing their veg and fruit from a good selection in the local supermarkets.

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    blister

    Saturday, August 9, 2014

  • The market is one of these places that needs a bus service, car parking is to expensive, and people don't attend so much, if the transport system was better for the market , maybe people would take some of these empty stalls on,

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    Derek McDonald

    Saturday, August 9, 2014

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