Business owner calls for controversial Norwich bus lane to be ditched

Cars and vans using the Brazengate bus illegally between 7.30-9.30am. Photo: Bill Smith Cars and vans using the Brazengate bus illegally between 7.30-9.30am. Photo: Bill Smith

Saturday, March 22, 2014
11:13 AM

A business owner near one of Norwich’s most controversial bus lanes has said the time has come to ditch the system.

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Nigel Harvey, who has owned R T Harvey Butchers in Grove Road since 1985, told the Norwich highways agency committee that he sees “no logical reason” for the continuation of the Brazengate ‘bus gate’.

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A police crackdown earlier this year caught 191 drivers flouting the bus lane restrictions in one two-hour spell. But Mr Harvey insists keeping it in use - and enforcing it - is doing more harm than good.

He told a meeting at City Hall: “If enforced, it has and will continue to drive traffic down either the already congested St Stephens or more importantly along Hall Road all the way to the dangerous emergence of traffic at an uncontrolled junction on a blind bend at Bracondale.

“Having monitored the limited number of buses and passengers that use the Brazengate during the restrictive times, the practice just does not make sense; combined with the fact that a large volume of traffic is allowed from Sainsbury’s car park without restriction.”

A bus lane operates in the area from Monday to Friday between 7.30am and 9.30am with only buses and taxis allowed to enter the road and onto Brazengate, near Sainsbury’s.

The restrictions also apply to vehicles on Victoria Street, with no left turn onto Brazengate between those times.

The city council’s transportation and network manager Joanne Deverick said it was first introduced in the mid 1990s to encourage car drivers to use park and ride facilities into Norwich.

She warned: “Removing the bus gate would suck significant amounts of traffic through the residential area and would be a retrogade step in delivering the Norwich Area Transportation Strategy which looks to promote and encourage bus usage.”

13 comments

  • A better idea would be to get rid of all bus lanes!

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    Norfolk John

    Saturday, March 22, 2014

  • Don't be silly,abolish a handy little piece of traffic management insanity that is a nice little earner for the so called forces of law and order? Anyway in the relentless effort by the council to force us all on unreliable expensive buses it's a useful tool for making car drivers pay for the privilege of reliable transport! Do you really believe that the people who inflicted a 24 hour bus lane on Newmarket road will listen to common sense? The fact that bus lanes cause massive unnecessary tailbacks on the Dereham and Newmarket roads doesn't concern councillors, because road planning and traffic management will always be anti the private motorist! I just wish they would sort out the dreadful state of the roads,rather than messing about with hairbrained traffic schemes!.

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    Harry Rabinowitz

    Saturday, March 22, 2014

  • Yeah Nigel would say this as one of the most overpirced, ripoff Butchers in Norwich. The system is there for reason. Nigel LIVE with IT !

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    che bramley

    Saturday, March 22, 2014

  • The bus lanes are not enforced enough! I get sick to death of having to brake sharply with a 40ft vehicle as motorists decide they are a bus and pull into a bus lane in front of me! Which bit of "bus lane" don't they understand? If you lose the side of your car, on Newmarket Rd especially near the old hospital, don't whine about it as you are not supposed to be in that lane!

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    Martin Jennings

    Monday, March 24, 2014

  • The authorities seem to do they can to really feck off motorists. This is an old example. They think we will be driven onto grotty buses if they keep on with this. They are wrong!

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    marty r

    Saturday, March 22, 2014

  • The only reason the so called road safety changes are taking place in Magdalen Street is because cyclists are flouting the law & the safety of everyone else in doing so. But unlike car drivers there is no earning potential from prosecuting them, so they change the rules to make what they the cyclists are already doing legal...This is just typical City Council fascism, car drivers use a bus lane & we earn, cyclists ride dangerously & we simply spend the money we take from everyone to make it legal for the few...

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    el84

    Saturday, March 22, 2014

  • While it would be nice to cure some of the problems in and around the city, bus lanes, and the recently announced cycle lanes will not solve anything. You can't take an old, cramped city and squeeze in bus & cycle lanes. Not unless you are willing to sacrifice some of the buildings to make room. Added to which, the cost of implementing them, then trying to enforce, them is simply not worth the money or effort. Sadly, I don't suppose the 'head in the clouds' mob of council officers will take any notice of the obvious.

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    Labratone

    Saturday, March 22, 2014

  • Being retired,I don't have to negotiate my way around the dog's breakfast that is Norwich's traffic system if I don't have to! Thanks to years of restrictive practices,like many people I just use out of town shopping facilities and the internet,and treat driving in the city as a task not to be attempted! I am sorry for those who have to drive around the road system,like taxi drivers,or people who work in the city, I can understand the frustration of trying to get to work through interminable traffic jams,but it's better to take your time than risk breaking the law whether you agree that it's stupid or not!

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    Harry Rabinowitz

    Saturday, March 22, 2014

  • Wonder who was one of the 360 then!

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    DJ

    Saturday, March 22, 2014

  • Don't be silly,abolish a handy little piece of traffic management insanity that is a nice little earner for the so called forces of law and order? Anyway in the relentless effort by the council to force us all on unreliable expensive buses it's a useful tool for making car drivers pay for the privilege of reliable transport! Do you really believe that the people who inflicted a 24 hour bus lane on Newmarket road will listen to common sense? The fact that bus lanes cause massive unnecessary tailbacks on the Dereham and Newmarket roads doesn't concern councillors, because road planning and traffic management will always be anti the private motorist! I just wish they would sort out the dreadful state of the roads,rather than messing about with hairbrained traffic schemes!.

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    Harry Rabinowitz

    Saturday, March 22, 2014

  • should have automatic lowering and raising bollards at the beginning of the bus lane instead, would be fun to see how many cars and vans try to follow a bus through and find themselves launched into the air by the raising bollards !!!!

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    Footyboy16

    Saturday, March 22, 2014

  • Not Brazengate but would be nice if the spanking new automatic turn restriction signs in GY operated in accordance with the time turning is meant be restricted.

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    Daisy Roots

    Saturday, March 22, 2014

  • maybe if more people got their lazy backsides out of their cars then they wouldnt need to complain about bus lanes

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    Joe Public

    Saturday, March 22, 2014

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