Opinion: Wes Hoolahan disrespected Norwich City fans with bizarre lack of celebration when he scored against Aston Villa

Wes Hoolahan looks dejected as the Aston Villa players celebrate their second goal. Picture: Paul Chesterton / Focus Images Wes Hoolahan looks dejected as the Aston Villa players celebrate their second goal. Picture: Paul Chesterton / Focus Images

Monday, March 3, 2014
10:12 AM

I have often wondered what goes through a footballer’s mind at certain crucial stages of his playing career – but what the hell was Wes Hoolahan thinking of in the seconds after he scored Norwich City’s goal at Villa Park on Sunday?

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Wes Hoolahan celebrates in muted fashion after firing City in front yesterday. Picture: Paul Chesterton/Focus ImagesWes Hoolahan celebrates in muted fashion after firing City in front yesterday. Picture: Paul Chesterton/Focus Images

Three minutes into a game that City were desperate to get something from, Hoolahan did the unthinkable, and scored to put the Canaries ahead.

City couldn’t have asked for a better start. The fans were jubilant, the extra frisson provided by the presence of former manager Paul Lambert in the hosts’ dug-out serving to make it a little bit sweeter.

The City players were equally delighted. Except one: Hoolahan.

There was hardly an acknowledgement that he had scored and if it hadn’t been for his team-mates jumping all over him, you wouldn’t have been any the wiser.

Wes Hoolahan profile

- Age: 31

- Joined Norwich from Blackpool in the summer of 2008

- Is the club’s longest-serving player with 209 total appearances, 34 of which have come as a substitute

- Has scored 37 goals for the Canaries during his five and a half years with the club

- The Irishman has started 14 matches in all competitions for City this season and been used as a substitute in a further five

- His goal at Villa Park yesterday was his first of the season and his first for Chris Hughton’s side since a 1-1 draw at Sunderland in March 2013

- Has earned seven caps for the Republic of Ireland and is included in Martin O’Neill and Roy Keane’s squad for a friendly against Serbia at the Aviva Stadium on Wednesday night, as is City team-mate Anthony Pilkington

Now, I have absolutely no idea if there was something non football related going on. I hope not, given that a week ago we had the sight of chief executive David McNally wiping away a tear after City had beaten Spurs, discovering soon after that he was grieving for the recent loss of his father.

Clearly, it is dangerous to jump to conclusions.

For the moment, I will take the risk, because there are clearly other circumstances which come into play here, given that Aston Villa wanted to sign Hoolahan in January and Hoolahan wanted to go.

It was a difficult situation for all concerned, but it appeared to have been smoothed over, with Chris Hughton saying he had spoken to the player and he was committed to the cause.

Frankly, that’s not how it appeared just after half past four on Sunday.

If I were to make a snap judgment (I did) I would say Hoolahan wishes he had been allowed to go to Villa. What other explanation for the total non celebration of his first goal in nigh on a year?

At this juncture it would normally be appropriate to tot up how much any one of the travelling City fans might have splashed out to follow their team to Villa Park – match ticket, fuel, food and drink etc.

However, the greater cost may well be in terms of respect – the respect anyone who plays football should show for the fans.

Hoolahan’s failure to celebrate was hardly respectful of the travelling fans. They put an awful lot into following City, they are entitled to something in return.

It has to be said that Hoolahan didn’t appear to lack commitment during the course of the game, but acting as if you didn’t care that you had scored a goal for their team – in fact, acting as if it bothered you more than it pleased you – is hard to swallow.

The other scenario, of course, is that Hoolahan has discovered a twist on the ridiculous habit of not celebrating a goal against a former team – by not celebrating one against a future team.

What do you think?

Follow Chris Lakey on Twitter @EDPChrisLakey and share your thoughts by leaving a comment below or sending an email to norfolksport@archant.co.uk

111 comments

  • If he was trying to avoid upsetting the Villa fans then obviously that’s ridiculous, but I’m not prepared to jump to that conclusion. But even if he was, it doesn’t follow that he wasn’t trying his hardest to score, and that he wasn’t pleased when he did. He was clearly very annoyed at missing that second opportunity, and as someone else already pointed out, he ran further than any other Norwich player. He went over and applauded our fans at the end of the game, and Russell Martin recently said he’s been working extremely hard in training. I actually don’t think he had his best game – he was excellent in the first half, but faded quite a bit in the second. Even so, his positive contributions outweighed any negatives, and I would still say he was our best player that day. We lost because our central defenders were very poor, as was the rest of our midfield.

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    Billy Wilson

    Wednesday, March 5, 2014

  • Is it that important? City have far bigger problems than whether or why Wes Hoolahan did or didn't celebrate.

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    Mikado Kember

    Monday, March 3, 2014

  • Steely Dan - I'm not interested in Spanish football or Spanish press. I am interested in Norwich City, therefore like others i should be allowed to place comments (non confrontational) but objective! i stand by my comments of the quality of this newspaper and what they find time to write

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    JB

    Tuesday, March 4, 2014

  • If Hoolahan had scored with the second chance there was the possibilty we might have won the game and you can rest assured there would have been very little of this disrespectful rubbish on here today.He would have been a hero in the eyes of many and equally there would be many who would have used it as ammunition to castigate CH for only using him as a benchwarmer.

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    Trevor Sadd

    Monday, March 3, 2014

  • I have always stood Wes's corner but no longer after that,get rid is my thought now

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    leslie cater

    Monday, March 3, 2014

  • Some of the opinions below are just bizarre. ‘A massive error in judgement by playing wes yesterday… he never ever got behind the ball when we did not have it’ said GPL, in spite of all the work Hoolahan did off the ball. ‘For too long this player has flattered to deceive with his 'trickery' which more often than not provides no end-result or impact beyond losing possession… not a Premiership footballer and has never proved consistent enough to be one’ (StalwartBlue). I’ve just added up our points tally when Hoolahan has started since we’ve been in the Prem, and we average 1.3 points a game when he does start, 0.96 when he doesn’t. Last season he started every game of our 10-game unbeaten run, and we only won once when he didn’t start (at home against Reading, who got relegated). I don’t actually think Hoolahan loses the ball very much at all, especially considering what a creative player he is. I don’t know where people get this perception from, but I sometimes think there is a bias at Carrow Road against creativity – that giving the ball away is considered a greater crime if you are trying to do something other than pass it sideways. I also think that’s why people confuse Hoolahan’s position with Howson’s, say, or Fer’s, and say that Hoolahan’s third choice – simply because all three are vaguely creative. Hoolahan plays in a more advanced role than both. As for ‘luxury player’ – Berbatov, for instance, is a luxury player. So, for that matter, is a second striker on the pitch who hasn’t been scoring lately. Hoolahan offers more to the team offensively, as a creative link between midfield and attack, as well as more defensively, because of his incessant pressing.

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    Billy Wilson

    Wednesday, March 5, 2014

  • I didn't see it as disrespect rather a message to Hughton why do you neglect me. He did what Elmander and Wolfwinkel fail to do he put it in the net and worked all game.Hope Hughton plays him next time. This is second time I have seen him this season, he made a great goal for Hooper first time and then scored this time. Hughton should have gone at Christmas too late now

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    TonyfromThailand

    Tuesday, March 4, 2014

  • Not to sound big headed but course im right in this instance. Im being the voice of reality. Not pub talk. A user further down actually said about Hoolahan tweeting about the club being a poop house. This is a prime example of the utter tross chinese whispers can cause. Hoolahan does not even have bloody twitter! The story actually came directly from Sport reporter Kate Riley who also happens to be an Ipswich fan. If you check her tweets she even said her original tweet was taken out of context and it was only a passing comment regarding his frustrations. Yet the local media can sell a few stories and boom is exploded. Then you get the local yokels with more fingers than teeth expanding it into the latest Eastenders story line and suddenly you get wild assumptions on here faaaaar from the fact. I was stress again im not the head of the Hoolahan Fan club. I respect and appreciate the player but im more speaking up because im fed up reading such utter rubbish. Especially when the real cause to all the problems and I mean ALL our problems is still in control of our future. Mr Chris Hughton.

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    Mattias333

    Tuesday, March 4, 2014

  • If he was trying to avoid upsetting the Villa fans then obviously that’s ridiculous, but I’m not prepared to jump to that conclusion. But even if he was, it doesn’t follow that he wasn’t trying his hardest to score, and that he wasn’t pleased when he did. He was clearly very annoyed at missing that second opportunity, and as someone else already pointed out, he ran further than any other Norwich player. He went over and applauded our fans at the end of the game, and Russell Martin recently said he’s been working extremely hard in training. I actually don’t think he had his best game – he was excellent in the first half, but faded quite a bit in the second. Even so, his positive contributions outweighed any negatives, and I would still say he was our best player that day. We lost because our central defenders were very poor, as was the rest of our midfield.

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    Billy Wilson

    Tuesday, March 4, 2014

  • It's a tough one with wes as we all saw how much he changed the team yesterday (well.. for the first 20 minutes) but I'm with alot of you on here and I'm sure many norwich fans that it was very disrespectful of him not to celebrate. When I first saw it, to me it looked like he was apologising to the holte end! Still.. he's only a bench warmer and that's where he should stay after his comments about us being a s**thole club, I hate people who disrespect one another, I've left jobs in the past due to lack of respect and it should be the same on the football field. He's shown no respect through his comments, no respect yesterday. Wes, thanks for the goal and the magical 10 minutes I have of taunting Villa fans that I know but time to go lad! There's no space FER you! I am a hoot, I'm here all week!

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    George Bootyy

    Monday, March 3, 2014

  • I would agree that you can't really question We's commitment yesterday, for the reasons others have stated. I would question whether he was wise to make that gesture (assuming it was directed at CH) in that particular game. Anyway, also as others have said, this is not really the issue we should be concerning ourselves with. Have you seen the league table lately!

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    Smudger75

    Monday, March 3, 2014

  • I just went on the Villa fans forum and the number of pages on the Hoolahan transfer speculation has reached 85.

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    Trevor Sadd

    Monday, March 3, 2014

  • If I had my way, Stewpyd, your post post would have been the ONLY one on this board. It was that good. Wes' celebration or lack of is a bit of a red herring really. I actually come down on the side of Chris Lakey (who, BTW, is one of the few of Archie's little helpers who talks sense). But Matt could be right too. Who knows? Who cares? The fact is you can bet your bottom dollar that Wes will be warming his bottom on the bench again next week and JH will start against Stoke. This is probably the right team selection because the silky skills of Wes are more suited to the silky skilful teams in the top 6 than they are against the likes of Stoke. You can be equally sure that Wes won't be here next season, regardless of our status in the league........and, if we lose our PL status, I doubt that JH will be either.

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    Monday, March 3, 2014

  • Maybe Hoolahan is not out of love with Norwich City but with its manager? He showed plenty of dedication to the cause under Lambert. So what changed? Most likely this is all because Hughton wasn't playing him when we were actually crying out for some creative midfield talent? Week in week out Hughton has gone with the same predictable defensive line-up and failing totally to create any balance in the team. Yes a team needs to be able to defend but it also needs to push on, create chances and score goals. We have seen very, very, little of that under Hughton. Yet having ignored Hoolahan all season, why choose to play him in the starting line-up against Villa, given all the obvious ramifications? It was a bizarre decision. When we needed Hoolahan most, at home to poorer teams, he wasn't even in the picture! I can find no logic in it whatsoever. I am not absolving Hoolahan for his lack of respect when scoring yesterday. What I am saying is that there is probably a good reason for it and that reason lies not with Norwich City per se but with Hughton.

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    malaga flier

    Monday, March 3, 2014

  • I'm not even sure he looks that dejected in the top photo as the caption suggests...

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    GossVolley

    Monday, March 3, 2014

  • Easy does Matt. It's only Monday. Save some of your " grrrr" for the stuff that matters later in the week. For what it's worth, I think you're right, Hoolahan is not the right player to counter the midfield "bruisers" of Stoke City. I also think you're wrong about the celebration thing and Chris Lakey ( one of the few journos I have time for) is right. Not to say I don't respect your opinion. The point is that until Hoolahan gives an honest answer to the question, who knows? And frankly, who cares? He'll be gone in the summer anyway. More worrying is that when or if City go down, Howson (and others) will be leaving too. City will need a total "refit" and it could take years before we can seriously challenge for the PL again.

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    User Removed

    Monday, March 3, 2014

  • JB - Try posting a pro Barca comment to Marca.

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    Steely Dan

    Monday, March 3, 2014

  • This has to be the end for Hoolahan. I hope the board meets to discuss the implications of his actions following his goal yesterday. For too long this player has flattered to deceive with his 'trickery' which more often than not provides no end-result or impact beyond losing possession. The fans deserve better than paying to watch this prima donna running around in circles with only his own interests at heart. He is not a Premiership footballer and has never proved consistent enough to be one. I genuinely hope that I will never witness him wear a city shirt again after his immature and totally unprofessional actions and comments against his team-mates and employers. Go to Villa please Wes, I'll drive you there if you want.

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    StalwartBlue

    Monday, March 3, 2014

  • …..This should have been the second post on here!.... …..If only it was as simple as playing Football....Wes who had the Norwich world at his feet in the days of Lambert has fallen foul of the nasty touches that Hughton appears to have infected our players with...Hughtons main ambition was to rid the club of it's heroes, and one by one he has achieved his aim...Holt could not see eye to eye and escaped ...Tierney ...Lappin.. Chris Martin...Ayala... Barnett were shown the door...Butterworth and Becchio were bought by mistake, and had internal problems....next in line will be Hoolahan, Garrido, and Pilkington, all apparently fed up with the current regime... and still he goes on spending the clubs cash on over-rated ,over-paid individualists....Bassong should be in League 2 at best....The juries out on RvWW, who can't wait to get on the sick list along with Turner ....Howson and Tettey were dragged back by their ears....Fer is having a major sulk, and has reported in sick from training methods....Snodgrass puts in a shift we are told, time and time again.... Hurt his wrist, can't play Football..but can still use the other one to draw his wages!...He may put in a shift but so does a coal miner, or a milkman....Our directors box beginning to look like a scene from the Muppets.... Come on Mr McNally reach a deal with him and give us an interest in following Norwich City again.....

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    Stew Pydsodd

    Monday, March 3, 2014

  • I can see both sides of the argument here. Did anyone notice the Wes covered 7.4 miles during the game. The highest of any player and just ahead of Johnson.

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    sharky

    Monday, March 3, 2014

  • Spot on swiss canary and rocks and sand. (MB too further down)

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    Mattias333

    Monday, March 3, 2014

  • ...though I imagine Robert is more than happy.

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    Mad Brewer

    Tuesday, March 4, 2014

  • It's a tough one with wes as we all saw how much he changed the team yesterday (well.. for the first 20 minutes) but I'm with alot of you on here and I'm sure many norwich fans that it was very disrespectful of him not to celebrate. When I first saw it, to me it looked like he was apologising to the holte end! Still.. he's only a bench warmer and that's where he should stay after his comments about us being a s**thole club, I hate people who disrespect one another, I've left jobs in the past due to lack of respect and it should be the same on the football field. He's shown no respect through his comments, no respect yesterday. Wes, thanks for the goal and the magical 10 minutes I have of taunting Villa fans that I know but time to go lad! There's no space FER you! I am a hoot, I'm here all week!

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    George Bootyy

    Monday, March 3, 2014

  • We were a wonderful entertaining side under PL ,Hooton has destroyed all the good feel factor we are now a real rag tag bobtail outfit, we will not pick up any further away points which without any doubt whatsoever will see us relegated and deservedly so as we are an absolute shambles, The buck stops with Hooton, would be nice to know what DMC and the board really think, I hear Bournemouth is a nice place to go for a long weekend !

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    Essex yellow

    Monday, March 3, 2014

  • The way Hughton has treated some of the players since his arrival is disrespectful and actually leads to the club not getting good value when and if they move on. Hoolihan, Becchio and Fox in particular have cause for grievance; he has had a major adverse affect on their careers. I am sure they will love getting together for a glass of celebratory champagne on Hughton's front garden when he is sacked. I expect Pilkington, Vaughan, Steer and Holt would also enjoy being at that party. I hope he has a big front garden. Will you go GPL?

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    waclor

    Monday, March 3, 2014

  • Is the word 'disrespect' the most over used one in football ? Can't football widen its vocabulary a little bit ?

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    Steely Dan

    Monday, March 3, 2014

  • This shouldn't be newsworthy. What should be are the thoughts of the board after another debacle. All day people at work have been scouring social media with the fateful words "Has he gone yet?" I just cannot contemplate this fool uninspiring the team at Craven Cottage yet again, this time in a crucial fixture. It's as if the board have calculated that we can yo-yo back up from the championship on the back of the parachute payments.

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    NorwichAbs

    Monday, March 3, 2014

  • Think Mattias has a point to be fair. Whatever was behind it, he was the shining light yesterday in an otherwise devastating collapse. Perhaps the benefit of the doubt is in order.

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    LittleYellowBirdie

    Monday, March 3, 2014

  • Perhaps Wes is realistic and knows that scoring one so early in the game wouldn't mean a lot by full time. I have tried to back Hughton but he really doesn't seem to have a clue about game strategy or tactics. I think McNally's tear was because he didn't have a reason to get rid of Hughton yet. Bassong a nice guy but not captain material.

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    Pondlife

    Monday, March 3, 2014

  • Hoolahan Howson & Fer are DIFFERENT PLAYERS!!!!!!!!!! Are we a team that can only play one system? Different games call for different tactics. Look at Liverpool saturday. Realised they needed to switch it up and once again Bredan got it spot on tactically. Fair play to Saints they tried to match Liverpool but wasnt to be. Differnt games call for different systems. Just because Wes started against Villa where it was working superbly before the collapse doesn't mean he will be right to play that role against Stoke where we may go more solid in central MF. Its never as simplistic as "wes is 3rd choice behind Fer & Howson".....they are totally different players who play totally different styles and roles. Oh I give up trying to speak any mild logic. Going to go rock myself to sleep in the corner. (padded room).

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    Mattias333

    Monday, March 3, 2014

  • Cannot fault Wes at all.Lets face it he want out but still showed enough passion to be our best player yesterday.Perhaps better moaning about our useless defence....scared of Benteke or what!!

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    dave123

    Monday, March 3, 2014

  • why was my comment not allowed? because I dared to say archant should ask more searching questions instead of the toe the line rubbish?

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    baldyboy

    Monday, March 3, 2014

  • Who cares I hardly celebrate when we score anymore as I think of CH's face smiling like he's achieved the impossible and it puts me right off. Not all players are carbon copy drones that say whatever there told to (ie russell martin) if more players had their own mind and could think for themselves maybe we wouldn't be in this mess.

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    Burglecut

    Monday, March 3, 2014

  • According to some of the press Wes recently posted that Norwich was a s**t house club. What are your thoughts about this?

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    appaulcox

    Monday, March 3, 2014

  • I don't blame him one bit... he only started because it was Aston Villa, the Manager was "Sticking the boot in", let's see if he starts next week... let's see if the Manager is here next week

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    OLDYELLA

    Monday, March 3, 2014

  • On a list of our top 20 problems, this must rank at -5.

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    Swiss Canary

    Monday, March 3, 2014

  • Billy Wilson, your final posting in defence of Wes Hoolahan was spot-on. He will be remembered by Norwich fans for all the right reasons. Hughton will be in the same rendering receptacle as Roeder.

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    Mad Brewer

    Wednesday, March 5, 2014

  • It did appear disrespectful and added to his comments of us being a s***hole club means it will be good riddance from many, rather than a fond farewell from all at the end of the season. Which is a great shame for him, after some really good years. But he has brought it on himself. Silly man

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    llamaman

    Monday, March 3, 2014

  • Blue Tractor, your use of punctuation says quite a lot about you.

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    B Inners

    Monday, March 3, 2014

  • It's a tough one with wes as we all saw how much he changed the team yesterday (well.. for the first 20 minutes) but I'm with alot of you on here and I'm sure many norwich fans that it was very disrespectful of him not to celebrate. When I first saw it, to me it looked like he was apologising to the holte end! Still.. he's only a bench warmer and that's where he should stay after his comments about us being a s**thole club, I hate people who disrespect one another, I've left jobs in the past due to lack of respect and it should be the same on the football field. He's shown no respect through his comments, no respect yesterday. Wes, thanks for the goal and the magical 10 minutes I have of taunting Villa fans that I know but time to go lad! There's no space FER you! I am a hoot, I'm here all week!

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    George Bootyy

    Monday, March 3, 2014

  • Archie, you're a wan*er. Let's see if you print that, given that my last carefully-honed (and deeply respectful) contribution never saw the light of day.

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    Monday, March 3, 2014

  • Why all the rubbish about this non celebration? Hoolahan did nothing wrong! People saying he has disrtespected the fans are talking garbage, i dont feel disrespected t all!!! What about the disrespect shown to Hoolahan by McNally and Clueless? He should have been allowed to leave as he has not figured in the defensive system employed by the clown masquerading as our manager!! what Archant should really be asking are the real questions such as, why is hughton still in a job? Why did Elmander come on and play on the wing? What does Elmander add to our team? Time for Archant to ask some REAL questions of the club instead of pussyfooting around!

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    baldyboy

    Monday, March 3, 2014

  • Cannot fault Wes at all.Lets face it he want out but still showed enough passion to be our best player yesterday.Perhaps better moaning about our useless defence....scared of Benteke or what!!

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    dave123

    Monday, March 3, 2014

  • most bizarre bit was playing him with Howsen fit. His heart is clearly not in NCFC any more if he can't celebrate a goal for his team...

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    Surrey Canary

    Monday, March 3, 2014

  • Would it not have been a good idea to have had a little chat with Wes to get his view before this rubbish went to print

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    Norfolk Boy

    Monday, March 3, 2014

  • Perhaps Wes didn`t seem happy enough with the goal, but he seemed utterly disappointed when he missed the chance on 2-1 - hence the use of the f-word… Stalwart, you have obviously no eye for football, so I won`t discuss Wes`qualities with you, but to call him a prima donna is as wrong as it gets. The player who always works hardest out there normally isn`t called the prima donna, but then again, you obviously haven`t seen much football in your life. Is it perhaps time for you to hand in the PC to the nice staff in the white coats for today? Right . theeeere we go, you can borrow it again tomorrow, you know!

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    norwaysbiggesthoolahanfan

    Monday, March 3, 2014

  • Mattias 333 is probably right as to the reason for this non celebration nonsense .Simply "that's what I can do if you pick me" I would rather see a scorer run to retrieve the ball from the net than do a dozen backward somersaults.Even better a handshake with team mates as he trots back as was the norm in the good old days.The important thing is putting it into the back of the net,not what he does afterwards.Something that has happened infrequently all season .

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    irongloves

    Monday, March 3, 2014

  • He scored a goal so for that I am happy with him. Obviously if Hoolahan refused to celebrate because he really wants to be a Villa player then its unacceptable behaviour and he should be shipped out at end of season. However, I think the lack of celebration is more centered at the fact he isn't allowed to play under CH and in scoring a goal he made his point crystal clear. He needs to be playing. We probably won't know the true reason behind his non-celebration and quite frankly right now why should we care? The result remains the same and we're still in a tricky predicament. Let's focus on survival, not on one player's questionable goal celebration antics. OTBC

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    Powers1902

    Monday, March 3, 2014

  • Billy Wilson - good comments. As MB, particularly agree with your last post about Wes. Spot on.

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    Smudger75

    Wednesday, March 5, 2014

  • Wes Hoolahan is a professional player,when he scored on sunday.he was saying look at me.I am City till I leave.If he wasnt a true canary he would not have run his heart out all match.It says a message to the manager I am here and this is what I can do.Dare CH drop him now,he was our best player up front.I still feel our worst member of the team sits behind a bullet proofbomb blast door who should take all responsibility when the team loses or wins.Every game I have witnessed this season as soon as we go up we go into a defensive mode.When we attack we look good and when we defend we are woeful.I still stick to my thoughts.CH out.My allegiance to City will go on and on.My support of CH is nil. OTBC

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    canarykid

    Tuesday, March 4, 2014

  • Mattias 333 is probably right as to the reason for this non celebration nonsense .Simply "that's what I can do if you pick me" I would rather see a scorer run to retrieve the ball from the net than do a dozen backward somersaults.Even better a handshake with team mates as he trots back as was the norm in the good old days.The important thing is putting it into the back of the net,not what he does afterwards.Something that has happened infrequently all season .

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    irongloves

    Monday, March 3, 2014

  • Agree with Mikado Kember ! .. I saw Wes bust a gut to get into the box and provide a clinical finish, he didnt stroll around so lets just stop getting at the likes of Snoddy n Wes we have far more fundamental reasons for our unrest , I just hope it doesnt totally unravel come May .

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    Kristafa

    Monday, March 3, 2014

  • This has to be the end for Hoolahan. I hope the board meets to discuss the implications of his actions following his goal yesterday. For too long this player has flattered to deceive with his 'trickery' which more often than not provides no end-result or impact beyond losing possession. The fans deserve better than paying to watch this prima donna running around in circles with only his own interests at heart. He is not a Premiership footballer and has never proved consistent enough to be one. I genuinely hope that I will never witness him wear a city shirt again after his immature and totally unprofessional actions and comments against his team-mates and employers. Go to Villa please Wes, I'll drive you there if you want.

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    StalwartBlue

    Monday, March 3, 2014

  • appaulcox, I am not aware of anyone posting that on Twitter. I read the rumors that Wes had said that to a reporter, but that is quite another thing. Generally, I never sware myself and don`t like that if that is what you wondered. :)

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    norwaysbiggesthoolahanfan

    Monday, March 3, 2014

  • Ah, not only a wan*er but an idiot too. You are to censorship what CH is to football management. Resign now.

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    Monday, March 3, 2014

  • I also must add, Chris (Lakey) that when you don`t know neither if Wes was unhappy scoring and if so, what the reason was, I find it strange to accuse him of this and add file to the criticism you can se from some below. But please, go ahead, get rid of him - and wish us good luck in the Championship. Yesterdays game was a very good one - on the offensive terms, but of course a catastrophe defensively - plus some magic from Benteke, of course.

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    norwaysbiggesthoolahanfan

    Monday, March 3, 2014

  • Spot on Malaga! By the way im no massive Hoolahan fan either before someone makes out im the founder of the Hoolahan fan club. Personally in my opinion hes a luxury player that under the right manager (who has a clue how to use him) can damage certain teams. I dont think he should be a nailed down starter because like I previously mentioned different games require different styles and tactics, under a capable manager anyway. Just dont approve of the pub talk and casting aside im seeing of a player who has & still can be an important part of NCFC. This club had worked so hard to get to where we were and had a great platform to build on....then along came Hughton and blame.....all the hard work destroyed from top to bottom! All energy and focus should be on him. Utterly shocking how much of a laughing stock this clubs become on his watch. Nothing even remotely close to this under the previous management.

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    Mattias333

    Monday, March 3, 2014

  • Its going to be so ironic when the club finally replaces Hughton (far to late) and appoints a manager who lets creative players express themselves and gives players the ability to believe in themselves again....then remembers we sold Wes for virtually nothing 1 week earlier. Doh!

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    Mattias333

    Monday, March 3, 2014

  • Stick him in the reserves until end of season, when he will go to Villa, with shortage of strikers, why Becchio was not given a start I do not know

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    Derek McDonald

    Monday, March 3, 2014

  • We don’t know what was going on in Hoolahan’s head during his muted goal-celebration. I was a little disappointed to see it, but those commenters hoping he never plays for us again have taken the incident out of all perspective and proportion. If I remember correctly Hoolahan’s celebrations are generally fairly understated. Not as understated as on Saturday, admittedly, but in fairness he was mobbed almost immediately by most of the team, and subsequently shielded from view. Is it really likely he was worried about upsetting the Villa fans? Not celebrating against a former team makes a certain amount of sense, but against a potential future club it makes none at all. Had he celebrated more enthusiastically I hardly think Villa fans would have blamed him, or would welcome him any less warmly if he were to move there in the summer. It seems more likely to me that it was just frustration at his lack of game time showing through – game time he obviously feels his performances merit, as indeed do I. I imagine he appreciated the irony of scoring within several minutes of his first start this year, against the very club that so desperately wanted to buy him, and where he would now be getting much more regular first team football. If it was meant as a gesture, it was probably directed at Hughton and the Norwich board.

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    Billy Wilson

    Tuesday, March 4, 2014

  • Do you think that if any NCFC player posted that Norwich was a s**t house club on twitter that we should accept it?

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    appaulcox

    Monday, March 3, 2014

  • Wes didn`t just score that goal, he nearly got a second, similar, one. So he hadn`t stopped trying. For 20 minutes or so there were real signs that he and Hooper could work really well together. What a surprise that must have been, even to our razor-sharp manager. Then we got the usual bizarre substitutions and timid negativity. For a few glittering minutes, Wes gave us a glimpse of happier times. We should be grateful for that. Hughton doesn`t deserve him, even if we fans do. At this stage of his career, Wes needs to escape the suffocating presence of Hugh Trollderwood and enjoy a few more years of playing proper football. As for `journalism`, el dingo..... thou jesteth.

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    Mad Brewer

    Monday, March 3, 2014

  • while I agree Wes's action or lack of it wasn't too clever, but nor was sending the side out to contain a 3 goal deficit, talk about no respect. what about the thousand plus fans who were getting soaked to the skin , who stayed hoping to see their team gove it a go but had to watch that. Don't let Hoolahan's lack of celebration deflect from the real problem.. which is Chris Hughton and his lack of tactical knowledge

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    gordon52

    Monday, March 3, 2014

  • When they beat Stoke,You will all be back in the fold. This will come to pass

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    PaulH

    Monday, March 3, 2014

  • I am still very Pro Chris hughton but he made a massive error in judgement by playing wes yesterday. The match against Villa was not the right time to give him that opportunity and i know that the injury to Fer left him with a massive dilema but I think he made the wrong call. As for wes. Well he showed very clearly where his loyalties lie and it is not with Norwich City. And for those who thinks he scored and played well, I would take issue with that. he never ever got behind the ball when we did not haveit. He was not alone in having a poor game, many others did as well but it just goes to show that the creative players need to work hard defensively as well and they did not yesterday. Wes and Nathan put us uder pressure yesterday too often and i can forgive them and the others for having a bag game but Wes i am sorry, that attitude has no place amongst our team. You let yourself down and you let your colleagues down and most of all you let the fans down, especially the ones who have been fighting your corner during everything which went on in the last few months. me being one of them and for me i don't think you can repair it now. Not that i even thing he wants to repair it

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    GPL

    Monday, March 3, 2014

  • Short & Small of it is he got a new agent recently. Wes hasnt played as much this season as he (and alot of sensible fans) would have hoped. Its not unheard of in this day and age for a player to be touted around by his agent. Wes even made a public comment on the situation in January which credit to him he didnt have to do as most players at other clubs dont bother, but it was out of respect to the club and fans that he felt under current management he needed to explore chances elsewhere. The club didnt recieve a bid that met the valuation set so therefore we move on and he remains an NCFC player. I wouldnt read to much into a certain Blonde bombshell ITFC fan journo and her comments. Too be fair she admitted her tweet had been taken out of context regarding our house and colour of it. Not that itll happen but I bet if Hughton left the club tomorrow he would suddenly be more than happy to stay. As I stated he applauded us fans yesterday and likewise did while warming up in previous games. Hes never been much of a wild celebration type player anyway. Some NCFC fans love a bit of drama eh! Bigger fish to fry at the moment like the lack of yellow goal nets. grrr!

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    Mattias333

    Monday, March 3, 2014

  • Where are the "best fans in the premiership" now?

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    KeithS

    Monday, March 3, 2014

  • Stew; Hoots is just trying to mould our club in his own Image. Limp, ineffectual, timid, clueless. Of course he got rid of any dissenters. Did you see `Chrissy` Martin`s sending off for Derby? Very unlucky. Doesn`t he put himself about a bit these days? On the football pitch too, rather than in pubs etc. Looks like he did learn something from Holty after all. He is his club`s top goalscorer with 18 so far, could be back in the Prem next season... I don`t totally blame Hughton for `losing` him - though to do so without a fee was profligate (but normal). Beccles Boy was out of favour under Gorbalschev, anyway. Good to see a change of Club (and company?) has turned his career around. In hindsight, would he be any worse than RvW, Elmander or even Hooper? Becchio doesn`t count. The lad just doesn`t put a `Shift` in. Can`t blame the manager for that though, can we? On form, is Barnett any worse than Bassong? Simeon`s back in the UK now - is he with Millwall? Oh dear, if so. What about James Vaughan? Still seems to get injured too much but he does score when playing. Don`t think he`s in the same Sicknote League as Winkle.

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    Mad Brewer

    Monday, March 3, 2014

  • Wes was just stateing he will be a good signing for who ever takes him away from your non-proforming soon to be club thats going no where any time soon. With massive wage bills to pay. That's all.. Can see it in his face..

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    User Removed

    Monday, March 3, 2014

  • Get a grip. Its as simple as this. In his place I bet many of those moaning would have done the same thing. More of a way of saying "thats why I should be playing!"....no disrespect to club or fans because he applauds them on warming up an at the final whistle! Get a grip people. Bigger problems right now! If it was what some are making out he would have been subbed immediately or at HT and never played again. Drives me mad what goes through some FANS mind rather than the players. Oh dam RVW wasnt playing, snoddy got subbed at HT, were not at home so cant moan about goal music, Gary Doherty dont play for us anymore....I know who ill moan about....Hoolahan! Give me strength.

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    Mattias333

    Monday, March 3, 2014

  • Or maybe Hughton didnt 'make an error of judgement' playing Wes....maybe just maybe the mediapub fans have blown it totally outta proportion. Maybe just maybe he didnt celebrate because he was simply saying thats why I should be playing. Maybe just maybe its not quite as sinister as people make out, maybe just maybe there is bigger problems at the club right now! Maybe not, maybe we should have played Elmander there seeing as the club have decided he isnt a striker anymore. Lets just pretend Hoolahan didnt play. Grrr so wound up losing 4-0. Doesn't feel any better. Im wasting my breathe as people have been fed the expanded stories of the pub and papers and that is now gospel but can I just make 1 very important point before I ignore all pub talk comments regarding wes. If Wes was disrespecting the club and fans he deserves a bloody oscar! Going to training everyday and working hard, earning his place back in the team, looking fans in the eye when warming up and applauding them and then also applauding us at the final whistle despite getting stuffed 4-1. He fooled us all! I think not....some people just love drama and making something out of nothing.

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    Mattias333

    Monday, March 3, 2014

  • Just my opinion but put all the incorrect pub talk, chinese whispers and over inflated media reports aside. You have a player that can in the correct games cause damage to teams (as first 20 mins yesterday proved). He clapped us fans before the game, he clapped us fans during warming up for the spurs game and he clapped us fans at the final whistle yesterday. Nothing disrespectful about it really. Just him saying thats why you should pick me. Nothing more nothing less. Were all too keen to make an eastenders storyline out of nothing. Heck we have enough problems with our current management without moaning at Wes,RVW,Fer,the tea lady.....

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    Mattias333

    Monday, March 3, 2014

  • Was always a fan of Wes's but not after that. Hope he never plays for us again. Not only because of the lack of respect he showed the club, fans and his team mates yesterday but also because he is correctly 3rd choice behind Fer and Howson.

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    brian robb

    Monday, March 3, 2014

  • Well I spent 4 hours driving through parts of Spain to get to Madrid to watch that! The ONLY joy any true supporter would take from that, was Wes Hoolahans performance. Previous writers are correct in saying the club has BIGGER issues than to worry about the subject of celebrating. but as a canary supporter i still have to say...... we score so few goals then it is expected, particularly if we do not know how long it will be the next one. Any quality premiership side would have picked themselves up from down so quickly to two quality goals, but Norwich and its management........ roll over and die. on Villas performance and ability to go for the kill, you can see why Wes wanted to go there. Just think what he would have added to yesterdays delivery??

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    JB

    Monday, March 3, 2014

  • Much ado about nothing. Hoolahan is not to blame for our humiliation yesterday, Hughton is. Why is he still here?

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    Cecil

    Monday, March 3, 2014

  • Matias333 Nail on the head. I bet we would see a different Wes if we saw a change in manager and style, just like we would see a different set of fans...

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    rocks and sand

    Monday, March 3, 2014

  • Spot on chap! Exactly what im trying to say. If anything he was making us tick like only he can in the first 15 minutes. Was so obvious Wes would score. At least to me thats why I backed him at the bookies at 121 first scorer. Just imagine what would happen if our next manager encourages a better style of football and embraces a creative genius like Wes. Could all be so different as in the correct games Wes can be the difference between making a real chance or doing what Hughton has produced over 75% of the time in charge of this club.

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    Mattias333

    Monday, March 3, 2014

  • Mattias - I usually agree with your posts, but I can't really understand your rigid stance on the Wes thing, and those of a differing view. Surely it's only to be expected that some fans will view his actions as an indication of his desire to join Villa? If he didn't think it would be viewed in this way, then I would say he was probably a little naive. I agree that he looked committed to the cause as much or more than many other players on Sunday (he is a professional after all), and I don't believe he would intend any disrespect towards the Norwich fans (especially seeing the reception he got at the Spurs game). However, he may not have wanted to upset the Villa fans either if he believes he still has a chance of joining them in the summer. I don't see how 'pub talk' or comments reported by Sky Sports hacks really affect that. As for getting his explanation, is he really likely to admit not wanting to upset the Villa fans, or as you assert (and who knows you might be right) that it was a dig at CH for not playing him? I think not. You'll just get some waffle of a cover story. Therefore people have to make their own minds up I guess. At the end of the day he has brought all this speculation on himself. Not a dig at you fella. As I say I generally agree with your posts on here. Just offering a different perspective......

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    Smudger75

    Tuesday, March 4, 2014

  • Let's take off the wes-tinted glasses here. He is, rightly, our 3rd choice in that position and if Fer or Howson had been fit he won't have even been on the pitch.

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    llamaman

    Monday, March 3, 2014

  • Seems that many of Hughton`s recruits cannot string a reasonable injury-free run together, so Wes will always be handy to have around. Plus, he can play football. Unique. I wish him well, and hope he finds the right club at the end of the season. I am yet to be convinced of the veracity of Wes`s reported lavatorial reference and, if he did say something of the kind, the context in which it was said. Eg: `Hughton has turned this Club into a s**thole`. Just a thought. I know the Insiders, aka our faux journos, will know. For the rest of us, being on the periphery, it`s all guesswork. Btw, on another board, I`ve asked our Stats Supremo, Lincs Canary, how our injury rate compares with that of other clubs.

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    Mad Brewer

    Monday, March 3, 2014

  • I agree with Trevor and Smudger: the Hoolahan thing is a sideshow. The concern is with our coaching set up and under-achieving players. The sum of those two equals our precarious league position.

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    malaga flier

    Monday, March 3, 2014

  • Perhaps Wes is realistic and knows that scoring one so early in the game wouldn't mean a lot by full time. I have tried to back Hughton but he really doesn't seem to have a clue about game strategy or tactics. I think McNally's tear was because he didn't have a reason to get rid of Hughton yet. Bassong a nice guy but not captain material.

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    Pondlife

    Monday, March 3, 2014

  • while I agree Wes's action or lack of it wasn't too clever, but nor was sending the side out to contain a 3 goal deficit, talk about no respect. what about the thousand plus fans who were getting soaked to the skin , who stayed hoping to see their team gove it a go but had to watch that. Don't let Hoolahan's lack of celebration deflect from the real problem.. which is Chris Hughton and his lack of tactical knowledge

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    gordon52

    Monday, March 3, 2014

  • You just wasted one minute of your time writing a terribly puncuated non-point. And i just wasted 1 minute of mine replying to it. You complete time waster

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    Morgan Hewitt

    Monday, March 3, 2014

  • .....Wes is not the tallest of our players....but he stands head and shoulders above any of the others in his ability as a creater....He is the one man that can turn our individuals into a team!...If he was 6ft 2ins...he would be elected 'captain',by our shortsighted manager and would have been accepted as such by his teammates…..In my mind,scoring that well taken opportunity and his reaction afterwards was a two fingered salute to Houghton!....The goal was FOR the fans...his celebration was his way of rubbing Houghton's nose in the dirt for being bullied for over a year....He is a brilliant Footballer,but not necessarily the worlds best Diplomat....Wes If you are chosen again...just keep scoring, and celebrating in the same way!.....

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    Stew Pydsodd

    Wednesday, March 5, 2014

  • More important that all this is the fact that we are still stuck with Hughton who, for me, is the main issue and problem. He appears to have drained the team of all creativity and sets them up to play in a manner that signifies defeat from the start. Despite all the money he spent in the summer we still have a squad that is short of quality and lacking balance. One of Lambert's qualities was his ability to get a team of average performers to play effectively as a unit. Under Hughton that has all gone and we are left with a disjointed, unbalanced, team playing such predictable football as to make them easy meat for even the poorer opponents. We are now also so brittle that we fall apart as soon as the pressure is on. As soon as Benteke's first (and in fairness excellent) strike I was sure we would capitulate and of course we did. What surprised me even more, however, was the speed with which we surrendered. We went from a team winning 1-0 to a deflated and crest-fallen bunch in a matter of minutes. Occasionally we manage to raise our game and get a result. But we are totally unable to put two good performances together back to back.

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    malaga flier

    Monday, March 3, 2014

  • Would it not have been a good idea to have had a little chat with Wes to get his view before this rubbish went to print

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    Norfolk Boy

    Monday, March 3, 2014

  • he wouldnt get in the villa team if he left.

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    Vale Hernandez

    Tuesday, March 4, 2014

  • Disrespect the fans?My foot.What did you want him to do Kiss the badge.Do a knee slide.Take his shirt off and jump into the crowd or do one of those stupid bloody dances around the corner flag.I am afraid I am more concerned with the underachieving players and inept management that is constantly spoiling my weekends.As for the whole Hoolahan transfer saga;like all the rest that have gone before him,he will be but a pleasant memory.

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    Trevor Sadd

    Monday, March 3, 2014

  • It's says more about ncfc than the result does.

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    blue tractor

    Monday, March 3, 2014

  • It did appear disrespectful and added to his comments of us being a s***hole club means it will be good riddance from many, rather than a fond farewell from all at the end of the season. Which is a great shame for him, after some really good years. But he has brought it on himself. Silly man

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    llamaman

    Monday, March 3, 2014

  • JB

    Monday, March 3, 2014

  • appaulcox - that comment was allegedly made by Hoolahan back in January. Appalling, yes, but it's old 'news'.

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    Arbee

    Monday, March 3, 2014

  • I think basically that WH action was for CH consumption as part of their differences over him not being selected when the opportunity arises. I for one didn't feel snubbed in any way. Wes also played his part during the rest of the game and as such he took the opportunity to make a point.

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    NICEONE

    Monday, March 3, 2014

  • Anyone spoken to Wes yet Mr Sports Editor?

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    el dingo

    Monday, March 3, 2014

  • I've said it on the forum and I'll say it here. He played well, but the fact is if a team mate of mine didn't appear to care that he'd scored then it would throw me somewhat off balance. It's a shame. Can't say I blame him for being frustrated at not having a lot of first team opportunities this season. But for his apathetic response, I'd have said he'd proven Hughton had made a mistake not to use him more, but when a team's struggling what you really need is a positive spirit and I'm concerned that we saw something in Hoolahan that could finish up spoiling the whole bunch.

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    LittleYellowBirdie

    Monday, March 3, 2014

  • If you read the EDP you'd never know, would you?

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    el dingo

    Monday, March 3, 2014

  • According to the Daily Mirror ……….A television crew at the club’s Colney training ground jokingly asked Hoolahan: “Are you going to be clearing your locker out?” But they and other watching journalists were shocked when the 31-year-old replied: “I hope so. This is a f***ing s***house club.”

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    appaulcox

    Monday, March 3, 2014

  • Mr Lakey...being one of the mugs who travelled to Villa Park on Sunday I don't think that the matter of "Hoolihans reaction to scoring" gave any one of the supporters near me anywhere near as much a cause for concern as the way in which we performed after conceding that first goal. Trivial in comparison in my view.

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    Mellow_Yellow

    Wednesday, March 5, 2014

  • I side with Matt on this one. Whatever his lack of celebration was meant to convey (and why hasnt any journalist asked!?), his heart was definitely in it. I'm surprised nobody has mentioned his reaction when his second chance didnt go in. His facial expression and expletive (you didnt need to be a lip reader to translate!) said it all.

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    zebbee

    Monday, March 3, 2014

  • Trying to bite my tongue but its hard when I keep seeing the same pub talk rubbish. The facts with the Hoolahan story got left behind long ago in the small print. Media and fans alike have expanded it into there own little soap opera drama. Hes here, he respects the fans and the club despite what some blonde ipswich fan reporter expanded on deadline day and he was certainly better than anyone else has been in that position sunday. Like MB mentioned Wes is wasted on Hughton. There is bigger problems right now! Get over it people and get behind the boys. I dont support the manager but anyone who pulls on that yellow top im 100% behind!

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    Mattias333

    Monday, March 3, 2014

  • It's a tough one with wes as we all saw how much he changed the team yesterday (well.. for the first 20 minutes) but I'm with alot of you on here and I'm sure many norwich fans that it was very disrespectful of him not to celebrate. When I first saw it, to me it looked like he was apologising to the holte end! Still.. he's only a bench warmer and that's where he should stay after his comments about us being a s**thole club, I hate people who disrespect one another, I've left jobs in the past due to lack of respect and it should be the same on the football field. He's shown no respect through his comments, no respect yesterday. Wes, thanks for the goal and the magical 10 minutes I have of taunting Villa fans that I know but time to go lad! There's no space FER you! I am a hoot, I'm here all week!

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    George Bootyy

    Monday, March 3, 2014

  • It's a tough one with wes as we all saw how much he changed the team yesterday (well.. for the first 20 minutes) but I'm with alot of you on here and I'm sure many norwich fans that it was very disrespectful of him not to celebrate. When I first saw it, to me it looked like he was apologising to the holte end! Still.. he's only a bench warmer and that's where he should stay after his comments about us being a s**thole club, I hate people who disrespect one another, I've left jobs in the past due to lack of respect and it should be the same on the football field. He's shown no respect through his comments, no respect yesterday. Wes, thanks for the goal and the magical 10 minutes I have of taunting Villa fans that I know but time to go lad! There's no space FER you! I am a hoot, I'm here all week!

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    George Bootyy

    Monday, March 3, 2014

  • The EDP are the most inept and biased newspaper I have come across. A local norfolk boy now living in Madrid I am frustrated and annoyed with such an unprofessional publication. 4 times now have they not published my commentts which on all counts are objective with no bad language. The grammar is pretty gooda s well. But them what are we to expect from a bunch of u****** and set of edotors

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    JB

    Monday, March 3, 2014

  • All I would say is, if Wes did that to make a point to CH about not getting enough game time, he probably chose the wrong game to do it in. You'd have to be a bit naive to think people are not going to read more into it when you are playing the club who you tried to join in the last window. Can I also say that training our most creative players to be more defensive is not really the way forward and not likely to get us out our current predicament.

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    Smudger75

    Monday, March 3, 2014

  • Hughton is The Great Dissembler. Fans comment about his never playing "2 up front", so he does it at Everton. He uses Josh Murphy in an impossible game position. He uses Wes at Villa to prove his own sneaky point. He deploys Elmander as a `defensive right-winger` or something. He has paralysed the playing careers of Becchio, Garrido, Fox, Hoolahan, Holt, Vaughan etc. Ruddy has regressed. Bassong is a One-Season wonder. Ryan Bennett`s development has been stunted to the point of him becoming a premature has-been. Jonas Gutierrez is a wonderful acquisition - for the hordes of physios, nutritionists and fitness trainers. Hughton is a textbook manager. Just don`t read his textbook.

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    Mad Brewer

    Monday, March 3, 2014

  • Well said, Mattias. My own comment on the Hoolahan poop house saga was very much the same as yours, but I was less kind about the journo that perpetrated it. I expect to find another love-letter from Archie in my e-mail. `Inaccurate` or `Offensive`, probably. Maybe `Other`. As the scribbling Ipswich fan, Kate Riley, finally revealed, I also suggested that Wes`s remark was taken `out of context`. What a wonderful general purpose cop-out that is. Wes has been great for Norwich. Norwich, under Lambert`s stewardship, was great for him. Norwich under Hughton must be living Hell. Not just for Wes.

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    Mad Brewer

    Tuesday, March 4, 2014

  • You could ask Wes what it was all about, Archant...then you could tell the rest of us. It's what journalists do...

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    el dingo

    Monday, March 3, 2014

  • According to some of the press Wes recently posed that Norwich was a s**t house club. Is this true?

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    appaulcox

    Monday, March 3, 2014

  • Walcor. I do not see that CH has treated anyone with ditain or disrespect. In any given match we can only have eleven players on the pitch at any given time and the player you mention CH feels that others are better players and if i am honest i think they are better players as well. For example, if fit then our 3 main midfielders would be Tetty Howson and Fer and i think that would be Chris Hughton's favoured midfield if he could get them all fit at the same time. So why is that disrespectful to say perhaps David Fox. Its not an under 11s kids match where you try and include as many as you knind so that you dont exclude some children. I understand Fox's displeasure perhaps at not making the team but by the same token I would not drop Johnny Howson from the team just so that Fox doesnt get upset

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    GPL

    Monday, March 3, 2014

  • Stick him in the reserves until end of season, when he will go to Villa, with shortage of strikers, why Becchio was not given a start I do not know

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    Derek McDonald

    Monday, March 3, 2014

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