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With 4 from 7, that have died are of Asian origin, I am myself hooked on the idea that Swine flu........Is a bioweapon, Mexico was the trial run,with Afghanistan/Pakistan the real targets. With the easy capture of drunk USA solider, last week . I suspect that he was "the wooden horse". It was reported that this solider was sold to the top tali-ban or even higher. Bin Laden has underlying health problems, which this virus just loves.
US soldier is snatched by same Afghan group who kidnapped reporters - Times Online
BBC NEWS | England | Three more swine flu victims die
BBC NEWS | Health | Flu bioweapon fears
Virulence
Dr Madjid told BBC News Online: "Using influenza as a bioweapon is a probability.
"It's just a matter of technology. If it's difficult now, it will be easier in six months and much easier in a year's time."
"The question is about preparation. We can't wait until something happens and then say 'what do we do'.
Professor John Oxford, a virologist at Queen Mary's
School of Medicine, London, leads one of two teams sequencing the 1918
influenza virus.
He told BBC News Online even if they were able to
pinpoint why the virus killed so many, it would be difficult to use the
information to create a bioweapon.
"I don't think it could be used in that way now.
"It would need a lot of expertise and a huge teams of people to enhance its virulence."
Professor Oxford said his team, and another working in America, were about two years away from completing the genome's sequence.
None of the above has connections, to the Daily Mail.........harsh but true.
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| Harry Cripps understudy wrote: | | ironsmad wrote: | |
With 4 from 7, that have died are of Asian origin, I am myself hooked on the idea that Swine flu........Is a bioweapon, Mexico was the trial run,with Afghanistan/Pakistan the real targets. With the easy capture of drunk USA solider, last week . I suspect that he was "the wooden horse". It was reported that this solider was sold to the top tali-ban or even higher. Bin Laden has underlying health problems, which this virus just loves.
US soldier is snatched by same Afghan group who kidnapped reporters - Times Online
BBC NEWS | England | Three more swine flu victims die
BBC NEWS | Health | Flu bioweapon fears
Virulence
Dr Madjid told BBC News Online: "Using influenza as a bioweapon is a probability.
"It's just a matter of technology. If it's difficult now, it will be easier in six months and much easier in a year's time."
"The question is about preparation. We can't wait until something happens and then say 'what do we do'.
Professor John Oxford, a virologist at Queen Mary's
School of Medicine, London, leads one of two teams sequencing the 1918
influenza virus.
He told BBC News Online even if they were able to
pinpoint why the virus killed so many, it would be difficult to use the
information to create a bioweapon.
"I don't think it could be used in that way now.
"It would need a lot of expertise and a huge teams of people to enhance its virulence."
Professor Oxford said his team, and another working in America, were about two years away from completing the genome's sequence.
None of the above has connections, to the Daily Mail.........harsh but true.
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With the rush to get a flu vaccine out, before October, one has to consider that no trials have been run on the H1N1 virus. I won't be queuing up for my shots. As the whole world apart from 3rd world countries now have a so called vaccine ready to roll. This now seems to be a man made virus, released to either make Baxter and friends very rich,or kill half the world off.
YouTube - Vaccines - The True Weapons of Mass Destruction Part 3 of 15
World News Australia - Flu vaccine developed 'in record time'
World News Australia - Swine-flu reported at US military base in Afghanistan
Evening News 24 - People to be offered swine flu vaccine
And lets not forget the homeless human guinea pigs in poland, who all died after getting flu shots,and for those who can remember the good old USA flu-shots for troops. Back in 1976 the last man-made lab release of swine flu.
Earth Policy Institute Book Byte - Moving to a Stable World Population
Novartis nets bird flu vaccine deal - Business - News & Observer
Baxter: Product contained live bird flu virus | Canada | News | Toronto Sun
Baxter sent bird flu virus to European labs by error
Homeless people die after bird flu vaccine trial in Poland - Telegraph
May 2009 Number 331
H1N1 ‘SWINE FLU’ VACCINE
A novel strain of influenza (flu) virus subtype H1N1,
originating from Mexico, is currently spreading across
the globe. A vaccine against the strain could reduce its
global impact but would take time to develop and
manufacture. Different claims have been made about
the time it would take to develop and produce a
vaccine. This note describes how a pandemic vaccine
for UK use would be manufactured, and alternative
techniques for vaccine development and manufacture.
Development of an H1N1 Vaccine
A vaccine against the newly emerging strain of H1N1
could stop or slow its spread, and thus reduce its impact
on health services, workplaces, schools and the
economy. Since this virus differs markedly from previous
strains of H1N1, existing flu vaccines will not work
against it and a new vaccine needs to be developed.
Several different companies have the technology
necessary to develop such a vaccine. This involves
making a preparation of the flu virus that will cause an
immune response without leading to symptoms of the
disease. This is done either by using killed flu viruses, or
by using proteins isolated from the virus (Box 1). Vaccine
development begins with a sample of the virus
responsible for the disease outbreak. Samples of the
H1N1 virus have been received by The Health Protection
Agency’s National Institute of Biological Standards and
Control (NIBSC), which is developing a strain of the virus
suitable for use in vaccine development (see page 2),
with the aim of passing it on to vaccine manufacturers.
The Vaccine Manufacture Process
The main process in vaccine manufacture involves
growing large quantities of viruses. The rate at which
doses of vaccine can be made depends on how fast the
virus can be grown, and on how much viral material is
needed in each dose. Therefore, vaccine manufacture
techniques are tailored to:
• grow the virus as quickly as possible;
• maximise the number of doses that can be obtained
from a given quantity of virus (for example by adding
an adjuvant, see Box 1).
Box 1. What is in a Vaccine?
The purpose of a vaccine is to prime the body’s immune
system so that it is able to respond rapidly if it is later
exposed to that particular disease. The immune system
fights viral diseases such as flu by recognising proteins
(antigens) on or in the virus. A flu vaccine contains either a
safe version of the virus, or copies of its proteins. It causes
the immune cells that recognise these proteins to replicate
so that they are primed to respond to a later attack by this
virus. The vaccine does not itself cause flu, as it does not
contain a virus which could replicate within the body – if a
whole virus is used, it is killed before the vaccine is created.
Using a whole virus, rather than just isolated proteins,
typically leads to a stronger immune response. It can also
lead to ‘cross-protection’ - protection against strains of virus
whose proteins differ slightly. This is useful if the virus
infecting the population undergoes a mutation, in which its
structure changes. For these reasons, vaccines made from
isolated proteins may also contain an adjuvant – a chemical
designed to enhance the immune system’s response to the
viral protein, and to maximise cross-protection.
UK Pandemic Vaccine Suppliers
The Department of Health (DH) has ‘sleeping contracts’
with two manufacturers (Baxter and GSK) which reserve
a certain number of doses of any vaccine developed
against a pandemic flu strain. These two companies each
use a different method of vaccine manufacture.
In GSK’s vaccine production process, the quantities of
virus needed are grown in hens’ eggs - a traditional
method of growing viruses, still used by most vaccine
manufacturers. The viruses are then split into their
constituent proteins, some of which are included in the
vaccine. In contrast, Baxter grows the virus in cultured
mammalian cells, which is a newer technique requiring a
high containment facility. The Baxter vaccine includes a
whole, killed virus rather than isolated proteins.
The starting point for a vaccine is a sample of the virus
responsible for the disease outbreak. The disadvantage of
using eggs for vaccine production is that this sample
virus needs to be ‘tamed’, so that it can be grown in large
amounts in eggs, and so that it does not itself pose a
postnote May 2009 Number 331 H1N1 ‘swine flu’ vaccine Page 2
health risk. This taming process is currently under way at
NIBSC in the UK, and at the Centers for Disease Control
and Prevention (CDC) in the USA. It involves creating a
new virus which is based on a safe strain of flu virus but
has surface proteins identical to the pandemic strain.
This is estimated to take approximately 5-6 weeks.
Baxter, which uses cultured cells, can work directly with
the ‘wild’ virus, so can start vaccine production sooner.
However, the rate of production is also important, and
GSK can produce more doses per week than Baxter once
production has started1. The DH deliberately chose two
companies with very different methods of production to
make it less likely that both would be affected by any
barrier to production which arose, such as a shortage of
hens’ eggs.
Timescale for Obtaining Vaccine Supplies
Once the vaccine manufacturers have access to a virus
sample, the first doses of a vaccine are estimated to be
produced in 12-15 weeks1, depending on the
manufacturing technique (see above). However, it will
take some time for all of the UK’s reserved doses to be
produced. The DH has sleeping contracts for 72 million
doses of pandemic vaccine from Baxter, and 60 million
doses from GSK (based on the expectation that each
person will need two doses of the vaccine). However, this
does not mean the UK will have access to the entire first
batch of vaccine produced, as the companies also have
contracts with other countries. The first doses produced
will be shared out amongst all countries with sleeping
contracts, in proportion to the number of doses which
each has reserved. It will take approximately one year for
the UK to obtain all of its reserved doses.
Starting Vaccine Production
A vaccine manufacturing plant can only produce one type
of vaccine at any one time. Therefore, before pandemic
vaccine production can start a decision needs to be made
to stop production of other vaccines. Manufacturers are
currently producing doses of seasonal flu vaccine, and it
is likely that all of the required doses will have been
produced by the time a pandemic vaccine has been
developed and is ready for production1.
The decision to activate the UK’s sleeping contract for
pandemic vaccine rests with the Secretary of State for
Health. However, as the manufacturers have contracts
with more than one country, the UK may not have the
final say on when vaccine production will start. Also,
vaccine manufacturers are likely to await the declaration
of a pandemic by the World Health Organisation.
Regulatory Issues
Before a vaccine can be used in the UK, the vaccine and
the process and premises of its manufacture need to be
approved by the Medicines and Healthcare products
Regulatory Agency (MHRA), or the European Medicines
Agency (EMEA). EMEA approval means that the vaccine
can also be marketed in other European countries, so
most companies seek EMEA rather than MHRA approval.
Approval by the EMEA or MHRA is specific both to the
product and the production method. To gain approval, a
company must provide detailed information about the
safety of the vaccine and the consistency of the
manufacturing process. As the vaccine will be against a
new flu strain, limited data can be provided on how
effective the vaccine will be.
As assessing these data prior to approval takes some
time (typically 110-200 days), the EMEA has a system
of ‘mock-up’ dossier approval, in which a company can
submit the details of manufacture of a product to the
EMEA before that product has been developed. This
allows the company to gain approval for the production
of a vaccine without knowing the strain of virus which
will be involved. Once the strain is known, the company
applies to EMEA for a ‘variation’ to the licence, which
takes 2-3 days. It then has to supply the EMEA with data
on safety and efficacy of the vaccine as it emerges.
Baxter and GSK both have EMEA licences, so can supply
pandemic vaccine once a variation has been granted.
Advances in Vaccine Science
Many novel types of vaccine, or methods of vaccine
manufacture, are currently under development (Box 2).
These are either alternative ways of producing the viral
material (such as the use of baculovirus), or alternative
ways of eliciting an immune response (such as live
attenuated viruses, DNA vaccines). However, none of
these have been licensed by the MHRA or EMEA. Given
the time needed to gather the data to gain regulatory
approval these do not present a faster route to obtaining
the required doses of pandemic vaccine for UK citizens.
Box 2. Alternative Vaccine Production Techniques
• Rather than using isolated proteins or killed viruses,
some newer vaccines contain a ‘live attenuated’ virus,
which can replicate within the body without causing the
disease. In some cases, these produce a stronger
immune response, so less viral material is needed per
dose. A vaccine of this type for seasonal flu is currently
awaiting EMEA approval, but there are no pandemic flu
vaccines of this type with an EMEA licence.
• It is possible to use the genetic machinery of insect cells
to rapidly produce virus proteins which can be used in a
vaccine. A virus called baculovirus can be used to
transfer the gene for the desired protein to the insect
cells. This is used by GSK to produce other vaccines for
UK use, but no company has a licence to produce
pandemic flu vaccine for the UK in this way.
• DNA vaccines do not contain viruses or virus proteins,
but just virus genes, which elicit the production of virus
proteins within the body’s own cells. DNA vaccines are
still very much at the experimental stage, so could not
be used to tackle the current H1N1 outbreak.
• There is ongoing research into novel adjuvants, which
reduce the amount of viral material needed per dose of
vaccine. For example, GSK uses a recently developed
adjuvant, ASO3, in its pandemic vaccine.
• Ultimately researchers hope to develop vaccines based
on the parts of the flu virus that do not rapidly mutate.
However, such research is still at an early stage.
Endnotes
1 David Salisbury, Department of Health, personal communication
POST is an office of both Houses of Parliament, charged with providing
independent and balanced analysis of public policy issues that have a basis in
science and technology. POST is grateful to Dr Zillah Boraston for researching this
briefing, and to the Department of Health, MHRA and NIBSC for providing
information. For further information, please contact Dr Pete Border at POST.
Parliamentary Copyright 2009
The Parliamentary Office of Science and Technology, 7 Millbank,
London SW1P 3JA; Tel: 020 7219 2840; email:
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09/07/2009, 9:17 PM
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| swords are doubled edged wrote: | | Harry Cripps understudy wrote: | | ironsmad wrote: | |
With 4 from 7, that have died are of Asian origin, I am myself hooked on the idea that Swine flu........Is a bioweapon, Mexico was the trial run,with Afghanistan/Pakistan the real targets. With the easy capture of drunk USA solider, last week . I suspect that he was "the wooden horse". It was reported that this solider was sold to the top tali-ban or even higher. Bin Laden has underlying health problems, which this virus just loves.
US soldier is snatched by same Afghan group who kidnapped reporters - Times Online
BBC NEWS | England | Three more swine flu victims die
BBC NEWS | Health | Flu bioweapon fears
Virulence
Dr Madjid told BBC News Online: "Using influenza as a bioweapon is a probability.
"It's just a matter of technology. If it's difficult now, it will be easier in six months and much easier in a year's time."
"The question is about preparation. We can't wait until something happens and then say 'what do we do'.
Professor John Oxford, a virologist at Queen Mary's
School of Medicine, London, leads one of two teams sequencing the 1918
influenza virus.
He told BBC News Online even if they were able to
pinpoint why the virus killed so many, it would be difficult to use the
information to create a bioweapon.
"I don't think it could be used in that way now.
"It would need a lot of expertise and a huge teams of people to enhance its virulence."
Professor Oxford said his team, and another working in America, were about two years away from completing the genome's sequence.
None of the above has connections, to the Daily Mail.........harsh but true.
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With the rush to get a flu vaccine out, before October, one has to consider that no trials have been run on the H1N1 virus. I won't be queuing up for my shots. As the whole world apart from 3rd world countries now have a so called vaccine ready to roll. This now seems to be a man made virus, released to either make Baxter and friends very rich,or kill half the world off.
YouTube - Vaccines - The True Weapons of Mass Destruction Part 3 of 15
World News Australia - Flu vaccine developed 'in record time'
World News Australia - Swine-flu reported at US military base in Afghanistan
Evening News 24 - People to be offered swine flu vaccine
And lets not forget the homeless human guinea pigs in poland, who all died after getting flu shots,and for those who can remember the good old USA flu-shots for troops. Back in 1976 the last man-made lab release of swine flu.
Earth Policy Institute Book Byte - Moving to a Stable World Population
Novartis nets bird flu vaccine deal - Business - News & Observer
Baxter: Product contained live bird flu virus | Canada | News | Toronto Sun
Baxter sent bird flu virus to European labs by error
Homeless people die after bird flu vaccine trial in Poland - Telegraph
May 2009 Number 331
H1N1 ‘SWINE FLU’ VACCINE
A novel strain of influenza (flu) virus subtype H1N1,
originating from Mexico, is currently spreading across
the globe. A vaccine against the strain could reduce its
global impact but would take time to develop and
manufacture. Different claims have been made about
the time it would take to develop and produce a
vaccine. This note describes how a pandemic vaccine
for UK use would be manufactured, and alternative
techniques for vaccine development and manufacture.
Development of an H1N1 Vaccine
A vaccine against the newly emerging strain of H1N1
could stop or slow its spread, and thus reduce its impact
on health services, workplaces, schools and the
economy. Since this virus differs markedly from previous
strains of H1N1, existing flu vaccines will not work
against it and a new vaccine needs to be developed.
Several different companies have the technology
necessary to develop such a vaccine. This involves
making a preparation of the flu virus that will cause an
immune response without leading to symptoms of the
disease. This is done either by using killed flu viruses, or
by using proteins isolated from the virus (Box 1). Vaccine
development begins with a sample of the virus
responsible for the disease outbreak. Samples of the
H1N1 virus have been received by The Health Protection
Agency’s National Institute of Biological Standards and
Control (NIBSC), which is developing a strain of the virus
suitable for use in vaccine development (see page 2),
with the aim of passing it on to vaccine manufacturers.
The Vaccine Manufacture Process
The main process in vaccine manufacture involves
growing large quantities of viruses. The rate at which
doses of vaccine can be made depends on how fast the
virus can be grown, and on how much viral material is
needed in each dose. Therefore, vaccine manufacture
techniques are tailored to:
• grow the virus as quickly as possible;
• maximise the number of doses that can be obtained
from a given quantity of virus (for example by adding
an adjuvant, see Box 1).
Box 1. What is in a Vaccine?
The purpose of a vaccine is to prime the body’s immune
system so that it is able to respond rapidly if it is later
exposed to that particular disease. The immune system
fights viral diseases such as flu by recognising proteins
(antigens) on or in the virus. A flu vaccine contains either a
safe version of the virus, or copies of its proteins. It causes
the immune cells that recognise these proteins to replicate
so that they are primed to respond to a later attack by this
virus. The vaccine does not itself cause flu, as it does not
contain a virus which could replicate within the body – if a
whole virus is used, it is killed before the vaccine is created.
Using a whole virus, rather than just isolated proteins,
typically leads to a stronger immune response. It can also
lead to ‘cross-protection’ - protection against strains of virus
whose proteins differ slightly. This is useful if the virus
infecting the population undergoes a mutation, in which its
structure changes. For these reasons, vaccines made from
isolated proteins may also contain an adjuvant – a chemical
designed to enhance the immune system’s response to the
viral protein, and to maximise cross-protection.
UK Pandemic Vaccine Suppliers
The Department of Health (DH) has ‘sleeping contracts’
with two manufacturers (Baxter and GSK) which reserve
a certain number of doses of any vaccine developed
against a pandemic flu strain. These two companies each
use a different method of vaccine manufacture.
In GSK’s vaccine production process, the quantities of
virus needed are grown in hens’ eggs - a traditional
method of growing viruses, still used by most vaccine
manufacturers. The viruses are then split into their
constituent proteins, some of which are included in the
vaccine. In contrast, Baxter grows the virus in cultured
mammalian cells, which is a newer technique requiring a
high containment facility. The Baxter vaccine includes a
whole, killed virus rather than isolated proteins.
The starting point for a vaccine is a sample of the virus
responsible for the disease outbreak. The disadvantage of
using eggs for vaccine production is that this sample
virus needs to be ‘tamed’, so that it can be grown in large
amounts in eggs, and so that it does not itself pose a
postnote May 2009 Number 331 H1N1 ‘swine flu’ vaccine Page 2
health risk. This taming process is currently under way at
NIBSC in the UK, and at the Centers for Disease Control
and Prevention (CDC) in the USA. It involves creating a
new virus which is based on a safe strain of flu virus but
has surface proteins identical to the pandemic strain.
This is estimated to take approximately 5-6 weeks.
Baxter, which uses cultured cells, can work directly with
the ‘wild’ virus, so can start vaccine production sooner.
However, the rate of production is also important, and
GSK can produce more doses per week than Baxter once
production has started1. The DH deliberately chose two
companies with very different methods of production to
make it less likely that both would be affected by any
barrier to production which arose, such as a shortage of
hens’ eggs.
Timescale for Obtaining Vaccine Supplies
Once the vaccine manufacturers have access to a virus
sample, the first doses of a vaccine are estimated to be
produced in 12-15 weeks1, depending on the
manufacturing technique (see above). However, it will
take some time for all of the UK’s reserved doses to be
produced. The DH has sleeping contracts for 72 million
doses of pandemic vaccine from Baxter, and 60 million
doses from GSK (based on the expectation that each
person will need two doses of the vaccine). However, this
does not mean the UK will have access to the entire first
batch of vaccine produced, as the companies also have
contracts with other countries. The first doses produced
will be shared out amongst all countries with sleeping
contracts, in proportion to the number of doses which
each has reserved. It will take approximately one year for
the UK to obtain all of its reserved doses.
Starting Vaccine Production
A vaccine manufacturing plant can only produce one type
of vaccine at any one time. Therefore, before pandemic
vaccine production can start a decision needs to be made
to stop production of other vaccines. Manufacturers are
currently producing doses of seasonal flu vaccine, and it
is likely that all of the required doses will have been
produced by the time a pandemic vaccine has been
developed and is ready for production1.
The decision to activate the UK’s sleeping contract for
pandemic vaccine rests with the Secretary of State for
Health. However, as the manufacturers have contracts
with more than one country, the UK may not have the
final say on when vaccine production will start. Also,
vaccine manufacturers are likely to await the declaration
of a pandemic by the World Health Organisation.
Regulatory Issues
Before a vaccine can be used in the UK, the vaccine and
the process and premises of its manufacture need to be
approved by the Medicines and Healthcare products
Regulatory Agency (MHRA), or the European Medicines
Agency (EMEA). EMEA approval means that the vaccine
can also be marketed in other European countries, so
most companies seek EMEA rather than MHRA approval.
Approval by the EMEA or MHRA is specific both to the
product and the production method. To gain approval, a
company must provide detailed information about the
safety of the vaccine and the consistency of the
manufacturing process. As the vaccine will be against a
new flu strain, limited data can be provided on how
effective the vaccine will be.
As assessing these data prior to approval takes some
time (typically 110-200 days), the EMEA has a system
of ‘mock-up’ dossier approval, in which a company can
submit the details of manufacture of a product to the
EMEA before that product has been developed. This
allows the company to gain approval for the production
of a vaccine without knowing the strain of virus which
will be involved. Once the strain is known, the company
applies to EMEA for a ‘variation’ to the licence, which
takes 2-3 days. It then has to supply the EMEA with data
on safety and efficacy of the vaccine as it emerges.
Baxter and GSK both have EMEA licences, so can supply
pandemic vaccine once a variation has been granted.
Advances in Vaccine Science
Many novel types of vaccine, or methods of vaccine
manufacture, are currently under development (Box 2).
These are either alternative ways of producing the viral
material (such as the use of baculovirus), or alternative
ways of eliciting an immune response (such as live
attenuated viruses, DNA vaccines). However, none of
these have been licensed by the MHRA or EMEA. Given
the time needed to gather the data to gain regulatory
approval these do not present a faster route to obtaining
the required doses of pandemic vaccine for UK citizens.
Box 2. Alternative Vaccine Production Techniques
• Rather than using isolated proteins or killed viruses,
some newer vaccines contain a ‘live attenuated’ virus,
which can replicate within the body without causing the
disease. In some cases, these produce a stronger
immune response, so less viral material is needed per
dose. A vaccine of this type for seasonal flu is currently
awaiting EMEA approval, but there are no pandemic flu
vaccines of this type with an EMEA licence.
• It is possible to use the genetic machinery of insect cells
to rapidly produce virus proteins which can be used in a
vaccine. A virus called baculovirus can be used to
transfer the gene for the desired protein to the insect
cells. This is used by GSK to produce other vaccines for
UK use, but no company has a licence to produce
pandemic flu vaccine for the UK in this way.
• DNA vaccines do not contain viruses or virus proteins,
but just virus genes, which elicit the production of virus
proteins within the body’s own cells. DNA vaccines are
still very much at the experimental stage, so could not
be used to tackle the current H1N1 outbreak.
• There is ongoing research into novel adjuvants, which
reduce the amount of viral material needed per dose of
vaccine. For example, GSK uses a recently developed
adjuvant, ASO3, in its pandemic vaccine.
• Ultimately researchers hope to develop vaccines based
on the parts of the flu virus that do not rapidly mutate.
However, such research is still at an early stage.
Endnotes
1 David Salisbury, Department of Health, personal communication
POST is an office of both Houses of Parliament, charged with providing
independent and balanced analysis of public policy issues that have a basis in
science and technology. POST is grateful to Dr Zillah Boraston for researching this
briefing, and to the Department of Health, MHRA and NIBSC for providing
information. For further information, please contact Dr Pete Border at POST.
Parliamentary Copyright 2009
The Parliamentary Office of Science and Technology, 7 Millbank,
London SW1P 3JA; Tel: 020 7219 2840; email:
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Any one still want their shots, poor old poles were paid £1 to £2 to take the shots.
Try as I can, this story went dead after it was printed......unless we have any Nofolk Poles who look at this site,no follow up.This virus seems to go for certain types, Thats what the beeb says.
BBC NEWS | Health | Flu risk for indigenous peoples
BBC NEWS | UK | UK swine flu death toll hits 14
Various methods are being used to evaluate the number of
cases, including laboratory testing on sample groups and monitoring of
some GP practices and the number of calls received by NHS Direct. The
Ministry of Justice has announced that there will not be any inquests
into the deaths of two people who died after contracting swine flu, as
it was not necessary for coroners to hold inquests into deaths linked
to the virus. "There's no requirement to hold an inquest into a natural death," a spokeswoman said. "Deaths from swine flu would be regarded by coroners as natural." How convenient, man made flu a natural death.
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10/07/2009, 7:43 AM
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You did read the BBC article I take it? The researchers quoted in the story state that the risk to the indigenous population is increased "because they are more likely to be malnourished and living in poverty."
Last time I checked a virus doesn't need to be man-made to pose a greater risk to those with a poorer quality of life. The article doesn't support in any way the crazed notion that this virus was designed by men tro target certain people. I think in the space of this thread you've implied that it's designed to targets Mexicans, then Asians, now indigenous people generally. Make your mind up! And while you're at it, stop with this conspiracy theory nonsense, any epidemiologist or public health specialist will tell you that we are overdue a global pandemic of some sort! They are expected every 25 to 35 years, and we haven't seen one since 1967 if I remember correctly.
Well done for not using Daily Mail references though, I think it should apply to pretty much all newspapers though to be honest, if you read Ben Goldacre's blog (www.badscience.net), you'll realise just how poor most science reporting is, journalists are a lazy bunch when it comes to checking facts etc.
I await with excitement the next conspiracy theory.
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| Harvs wrote: | You did read the BBC article I take it? The researchers quoted in the story state that the risk to the indigenous population is increased "because they are more likely to be malnourished and living in poverty."
Last time I checked a virus doesn't need to be man-made to pose a greater risk to those with a poorer quality of life. The article doesn't support in any way the crazed notion that this virus was designed by men tro target certain people. I think in the space of this thread you've implied that it's designed to targets Mexicans, then Asians, now indigenous people generally. Make your mind up! And while you're at it, stop with this conspiracy theory nonsense, any epidemiologist or public health specialist will tell you that we are overdue a global pandemic of some sort! They are expected every 25 to 35 years, and we haven't seen one since 1967 if I remember correctly.
Well done for not using Daily Mail references though, I think it should apply to pretty much all newspapers though to be honest, if you read Ben Goldacre's blog (www.badscience.net), you'll realise just how poor most science reporting is, journalists are a lazy bunch when it comes to checking facts etc.
I await with excitement the next conspiracy theory.
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Not that long Harvs, my H1N1 bio-weapon is based on the what the good Dr remarked. This was way back in 2003 and the scare story of boogey bearded one's,releasing fable terrorist attack. This was also the height of the Iraq war......Chemical Ali and the UEA etc. We was all getting scared *hitless by the media. I have just reversed the idea its not the boogey man bearded one's but the NWO and their plans for Eugenics and land/oil grabbing of Iraq, Iran, Afganistan etc. Bush junior said after 9/11; Were going to smoke em out. That has not worked after 8 years and has cost a great deal of money and much more in loss in soldiers lives. Do you think we can or the British people can put up with our lads ,being killed at the present rate.....So we can't smoke em out, which leaves the door open for old fashioned bio-warfare.......Science can be a cure or a killer.
BBC NEWS | Health | Flu bioweapon fears
They warn that once the sequencing is complete,
unscrupulous scientists could use the information to create more
virulent strains.
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| swords are doubled edged wrote: | | Harvs wrote: | You did read the BBC article I take it? The researchers quoted in the story state that the risk to the indigenous population is increased "because they are more likely to be malnourished and living in poverty."
Last time I checked a virus doesn't need to be man-made to pose a greater risk to those with a poorer quality of life. The article doesn't support in any way the crazed notion that this virus was designed by men tro target certain people. I think in the space of this thread you've implied that it's designed to targets Mexicans, then Asians, now indigenous people generally. Make your mind up! And while you're at it, stop with this conspiracy theory nonsense, any epidemiologist or public health specialist will tell you that we are overdue a global pandemic of some sort! They are expected every 25 to 35 years, and we haven't seen one since 1967 if I remember correctly.
Well done for not using Daily Mail references though, I think it should apply to pretty much all newspapers though to be honest, if you read Ben Goldacre's blog (www.badscience.net), you'll realise just how poor most science reporting is, journalists are a lazy bunch when it comes to checking facts etc.
I await with excitement the next conspiracy theory.
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Not that long Harvs, my H1N1 bio-weapon is based on the what the good Dr remarked. This was way back in 2003 and the scare story of boogey bearded one's,releasing fable terrorist attack. This was also the height of the Iraq war......Chemical Ali and the UEA etc. We was all getting scared *hitless by the media. I have just reversed the idea its not the boogey man bearded one's but the NWO and their plans for Eugenics and land/oil grabbing of Iraq, Iran, Afganistan etc. Bush junior said after 9/11; Were going to smoke em out. That has not worked after 8 years and has cost a great deal of money and much more in loss in soldiers lives. Do you think we can or the British people can put up with our lads ,being killed at the present rate.....So we can't smoke em out, which leaves the door open for old fashioned bio-warfare.......Science can be a cure or a killer.
BBC NEWS | Health | Flu bioweapon fears
They warn that once the sequencing is complete,
unscrupulous scientists could use the information to create more
virulent strains.
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http://www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/pdf/10.1086/317493?cookieSet=1
1918 death rates, no need to smoke them out out those hills
Africa and Asia had fall death rates an order
of magnitude higher than those of Europe and North America
(e.g., India, 4200–6700 deaths per 100,000 population; England,
490 deaths per 100,000 population) [19].
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| swords are doubled edged wrote: | | swords are doubled edged wrote: | | Harvs wrote: | You did read the BBC article I take it? The researchers quoted in the story state that the risk to the indigenous population is increased "because they are more likely to be malnourished and living in poverty."
Last time I checked a virus doesn't need to be man-made to pose a greater risk to those with a poorer quality of life. The article doesn't support in any way the crazed notion that this virus was designed by men tro target certain people. I think in the space of this thread you've implied that it's designed to targets Mexicans, then Asians, now indigenous people generally. Make your mind up! And while you're at it, stop with this conspiracy theory nonsense, any epidemiologist or public health specialist will tell you that we are overdue a global pandemic of some sort! They are expected every 25 to 35 years, and we haven't seen one since 1967 if I remember correctly.
Well done for not using Daily Mail references though, I think it should apply to pretty much all newspapers though to be honest, if you read Ben Goldacre's blog (www.badscience.net), you'll realise just how poor most science reporting is, journalists are a lazy bunch when it comes to checking facts etc.
I await with excitement the next conspiracy theory.
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Not that long Harvs, my H1N1 bio-weapon is based on the what the good Dr remarked. This was way back in 2003 and the scare story of boogey bearded one's,releasing fable terrorist attack. This was also the height of the Iraq war......Chemical Ali and the UEA etc. We was all getting scared *hitless by the media. I have just reversed the idea its not the boogey man bearded one's but the NWO and their plans for Eugenics and land/oil grabbing of Iraq, Iran, Afganistan etc. Bush junior said after 9/11; Were going to smoke em out. That has not worked after 8 years and has cost a great deal of money and much more in loss in soldiers lives. Do you think we can or the British people can put up with our lads ,being killed at the present rate.....So we can't smoke em out, which leaves the door open for old fashioned bio-warfare.......Science can be a cure or a killer.
BBC NEWS | Health | Flu bioweapon fears
They warn that once the sequencing is complete, unscrupulous scientists could use the information to create more virulent strains.
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http://www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/pdf/10.1086/317493?cookieSet=1
1918 death rates, no need to smoke them out out those hills
Africa and Asia had fall death rates an order
of magnitude higher than those of Europe and North America
(e.g., India, 4200–6700 deaths per 100,000 population; England,
490 deaths per 100,000 population) [19].
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Most folk will get the flu virus eventually and most recover fine with stronger immune systems. Tamiflu and treatment needs to be targeted at the susceptable, young, old, heart conditions, medical complications, diabetics etc..its just managing it.
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11/07/2009, 8:38 PM
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| swords are doubled edged wrote: | | swords are doubled edged wrote: | | Harvs wrote: | You did read the BBC article I take it? The researchers quoted in the story state that the risk to the indigenous population is increased "because they are more likely to be malnourished and living in poverty."
Last time I checked a virus doesn't need to be man-made to pose a greater risk to those with a poorer quality of life. The article doesn't support in any way the crazed notion that this virus was designed by men tro target certain people. I think in the space of this thread you've implied that it's designed to targets Mexicans, then Asians, now indigenous people generally. Make your mind up! And while you're at it, stop with this conspiracy theory nonsense, any epidemiologist or public health specialist will tell you that we are overdue a global pandemic of some sort! They are expected every 25 to 35 years, and we haven't seen one since 1967 if I remember correctly.
Well done for not using Daily Mail references though, I think it should apply to pretty much all newspapers though to be honest, if you read Ben Goldacre's blog (www.badscience.net), you'll realise just how poor most science reporting is, journalists are a lazy bunch when it comes to checking facts etc.
I await with excitement the next conspiracy theory.
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Not that long Harvs, my H1N1 bio-weapon is based on the what the good Dr remarked. This was way back in 2003 and the scare story of boogey bearded one's,releasing fable terrorist attack. This was also the height of the Iraq war......Chemical Ali and the UEA etc. We was all getting scared *hitless by the media. I have just reversed the idea its not the boogey man bearded one's but the NWO and their plans for Eugenics and land/oil grabbing of Iraq, Iran, Afganistan etc. Bush junior said after 9/11; Were going to smoke em out. That has not worked after 8 years and has cost a great deal of money and much more in loss in soldiers lives. Do you think we can or the British people can put up with our lads ,being killed at the present rate.....So we can't smoke em out, which leaves the door open for old fashioned bio-warfare.......Science can be a cure or a killer.
BBC NEWS | Health | Flu bioweapon fears
They warn that once the sequencing is complete,
unscrupulous scientists could use the information to create more
virulent strains.
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http://www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/pdf/10.1086/317493?cookieSet=1
1918 death rates, no need to smoke them out out those hills
Africa and Asia had fall death rates an order
of magnitude higher than those of Europe and North America
(e.g., India, 4200–6700 deaths per 100,000 population; England,
490 deaths per 100,000 population) [19].
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Will you have the flu-shots, that has already got a license before they have been tested...............Plus a no sue contract ,when people turn into veggies. Its all geared up for Baxter boys
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11/07/2009, 8:53 PM
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| swords are doubled edged wrote: | | swords are doubled edged wrote: | | swords are doubled edged wrote: | | Harvs wrote: | You did read the BBC article I take it? The researchers quoted in the story state that the risk to the indigenous population is increased "because they are more likely to be malnourished and living in poverty."
Last time I checked a virus doesn't need to be man-made to pose a greater risk to those with a poorer quality of life. The article doesn't support in any way the crazed notion that this virus was designed by men tro target certain people. I think in the space of this thread you've implied that it's designed to targets Mexicans, then Asians, now indigenous people generally. Make your mind up! And while you're at it, stop with this conspiracy theory nonsense, any epidemiologist or public health specialist will tell you that we are overdue a global pandemic of some sort! They are expected every 25 to 35 years, and we haven't seen one since 1967 if I remember correctly.
Well done for not using Daily Mail references though, I think it should apply to pretty much all newspapers though to be honest, if you read Ben Goldacre's blog (www.badscience.net), you'll realise just how poor most science reporting is, journalists are a lazy bunch when it comes to checking facts etc.
I await with excitement the next conspiracy theory.
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Not that long Harvs, my H1N1 bio-weapon is based on the what the good Dr remarked. This was way back in 2003 and the scare story of boogey bearded one's,releasing fable terrorist attack. This was also the height of the Iraq war......Chemical Ali and the UEA etc. We was all getting scared *hitless by the media. I have just reversed the idea its not the boogey man bearded one's but the NWO and their plans for Eugenics and land/oil grabbing of Iraq, Iran, Afganistan etc. Bush junior said after 9/11; Were going to smoke em out. That has not worked after 8 years and has cost a great deal of money and much more in loss in soldiers lives. Do you think we can or the British people can put up with our lads ,being killed at the present rate.....So we can't smoke em out, which leaves the door open for old fashioned bio-warfare.......Science can be a cure or a killer.
BBC NEWS | Health | Flu bioweapon fears
They warn that once the sequencing is complete, unscrupulous scientists could use the information to create more virulent strains.
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http://www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/pdf/10.1086/317493?cookieSet=1
1918 death rates, no need to smoke them out out those hills
Africa and Asia had fall death rates an order
of magnitude higher than those of Europe and North America
(e.g., India, 4200–6700 deaths per 100,000 population; England,
490 deaths per 100,000 population) [19].
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Will you have the flu-shots, that has already got a license before they have been tested...............Plus a no sue contract ,when people turn into veggies. Its all geared up for Baxter boys
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No. Selenium supplements and garlic boost the immune system against viruses; selenium deficiency weakens the immune system to fight viruses.
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11/07/2009, 9:00 PM
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| GreenBlue wrote: | | swords are doubled edged wrote: | | swords are doubled edged wrote: | | swords are doubled edged wrote: | | Harvs wrote: | You did read the BBC article I take it? The researchers quoted in the story state that the risk to the indigenous population is increased "because they are more likely to be malnourished and living in poverty."
Last time I checked a virus doesn't need to be man-made to pose a greater risk to those with a poorer quality of life. The article doesn't support in any way the crazed notion that this virus was designed by men tro target certain people. I think in the space of this thread you've implied that it's designed to targets Mexicans, then Asians, now indigenous people generally. Make your mind up! And while you're at it, stop with this conspiracy theory nonsense, any epidemiologist or public health specialist will tell you that we are overdue a global pandemic of some sort! They are expected every 25 to 35 years, and we haven't seen one since 1967 if I remember correctly.
Well done for not using Daily Mail references though, I think it should apply to pretty much all newspapers though to be honest, if you read Ben Goldacre's blog (www.badscience.net), you'll realise just how poor most science reporting is, journalists are a lazy bunch when it comes to checking facts etc.
I await with excitement the next conspiracy theory.
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Not that long Harvs, my H1N1 bio-weapon is based on the what the good Dr remarked. This was way back in 2003 and the scare story of boogey bearded one's,releasing fable terrorist attack. This was also the height of the Iraq war......Chemical Ali and the UEA etc. We was all getting scared *hitless by the media. I have just reversed the idea its not the boogey man bearded one's but the NWO and their plans for Eugenics and land/oil grabbing of Iraq, Iran, Afganistan etc. Bush junior said after 9/11; Were going to smoke em out. That has not worked after 8 years and has cost a great deal of money and much more in loss in soldiers lives. Do you think we can or the British people can put up with our lads ,being killed at the present rate.....So we can't smoke em out, which leaves the door open for old fashioned bio-warfare.......Science can be a cure or a killer.
BBC NEWS | Health | Flu bioweapon fears
They warn that once the sequencing is complete, unscrupulous scientists could use the information to create more virulent strains.
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http://www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/pdf/10.1086/317493?cookieSet=1
1918 death rates, no need to smoke them out out those hills
Africa and Asia had fall death rates an order
of magnitude higher than those of Europe and North America
(e.g., India, 4200–6700 deaths per 100,000 population; England,
490 deaths per 100,000 population) [19].
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Will you have the flu-shots, that has already got a license before they have been tested...............Plus a no sue contract ,when people turn into veggies. Its all geared up for Baxter boys
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Yep I know, so why is there a big push for brain-washing the masses for flu shots, and why the secrecy of the ID of chap in Basildon. Others they have named that have died.
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11/07/2009, 10:05 PM
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| swords are doubled edged wrote: | | GreenBlue wrote: |
| swords are doubled edged wrote: | | swords are doubled edged wrote: | | swords are doubled edged wrote: | | Harvs wrote: | You did read the BBC article I take it? The researchers quoted in the story state that the risk to the indigenous population is increased "because they are more likely to be malnourished and living in poverty."
Last time I checked a virus doesn't need to be man-made to pose a greater risk to those with a poorer quality of life. The article doesn't support in any way the crazed notion that this virus was designed by men tro target certain people. I think in the space of this thread you've implied that it's designed to targets Mexicans, then Asians, now indigenous people generally. Make your mind up! And while you're at it, stop with this conspiracy theory nonsense, any epidemiologist or public health specialist will tell you that we are overdue a global pandemic of some sort! They are expected every 25 to 35 years, and we haven't seen one since 1967 if I remember correctly.
Well done for not using Daily Mail references though, I think it should apply to pretty much all newspapers though to be honest, if you read Ben Goldacre's blog (www.badscience.net), you'll realise just how poor most science reporting is, journalists are a lazy bunch when it comes to checking facts etc.
I await with excitement the next conspiracy theory.
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Not that long Harvs, my H1N1 bio-weapon is based on the what the good Dr remarked. This was way back in 2003 and the scare story of boogey bearded one's,releasing fable terrorist attack. This was also the height of the Iraq war......Chemical Ali and the UEA etc. We was all getting scared *hitless by the media. I have just reversed the idea its not the boogey man bearded one's but the NWO and their plans for Eugenics and land/oil grabbing of Iraq, Iran, Afganistan etc. Bush junior said after 9/11; Were going to smoke em out. That has not worked after 8 years and has cost a great deal of money and much more in loss in soldiers lives. Do you think we can or the British people can put up with our lads ,being killed at the present rate.....So we can't smoke em out, which leaves the door open for old fashioned bio-warfare.......Science can be a cure or a killer.
BBC NEWS | Health | Flu bioweapon fears
They warn that once the sequencing is complete, unscrupulous scientists could use the information to create more virulent strains.
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http://www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/pdf/10.1086/317493?cookieSet=1
1918 death rates, no need to smoke them out out those hills
Africa and Asia had fall death rates an order
of magnitude higher than those of Europe and North America
(e.g., India, 4200–6700 deaths per 100,000 population; England,
490 deaths per 100,000 population) [19].
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Will you have the flu-shots, that has already got a license before they have been tested...............Plus a no sue contract ,when people turn into veggies. Its all geared up for Baxter boys
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No. Selenium supplements and garlic boost the immune system against viruses; selenium deficiency weakens the immune system to fight viruses.
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Yep I know, so why is there a big push for brain-washing the masses for flu shots, and why the secrecy of the ID of chap in Basildon. Others they have named that have died.
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TAMIFLU makes ££££s; selenium shots/supplements are cheap. Garlic and selinic acid can be purchased in your veg shop, Admitted, vulnerable might need tamiflu. but not healthy, well nurished folk where a few days self care/bed rest/plenty of fluids/lack of high protein in diet is the best course for many.
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| GreenBlue wrote: | | swords are doubled edged wrote: | | GreenBlue wrote: |
| swords are doubled edged wrote: | | swords are doubled edged wrote: | | swords are doubled edged wrote: | | Harvs wrote: | You did read the BBC article I take it? The researchers quoted in the story state that the risk to the indigenous population is increased "because they are more likely to be malnourished and living in poverty."
Last time I checked a virus doesn't need to be man-made to pose a greater risk to those with a poorer quality of life. The article doesn't support in any way the crazed notion that this virus was designed by men tro target certain people. I think in the space of this thread you've implied that it's designed to targets Mexicans, then Asians, now indigenous people generally. Make your mind up! And while you're at it, stop with this conspiracy theory nonsense, any epidemiologist or public health specialist will tell you that we are overdue a global pandemic of some sort! They are expected every 25 to 35 years, and we haven't seen one since 1967 if I remember correctly.
Well done for not using Daily Mail references though, I think it should apply to pretty much all newspapers though to be honest, if you read Ben Goldacre's blog (www.badscience.net), you'll realise just how poor most science reporting is, journalists are a lazy bunch when it comes to checking facts etc.
I await with excitement the next conspiracy theory.
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Not that long Harvs, my H1N1 bio-weapon is based on the what the good Dr remarked. This was way back in 2003 and the scare story of boogey bearded one's,releasing fable terrorist attack. This was also the height of the Iraq war......Chemical Ali and the UEA etc. We was all getting scared *hitless by the media. I have just reversed the idea its not the boogey man bearded one's but the NWO and their plans for Eugenics and land/oil grabbing of Iraq, Iran, Afganistan etc. Bush junior said after 9/11; Were going to smoke em out. That has not worked after 8 years and has cost a great deal of money and much more in loss in soldiers lives. Do you think we can or the British people can put up with our lads ,being killed at the present rate.....So we can't smoke em out, which leaves the door open for old fashioned bio-warfare.......Science can be a cure or a killer.
BBC NEWS | Health | Flu bioweapon fears
They warn that once the sequencing is complete, unscrupulous scientists could use the information to create more virulent strains.
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http://www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/pdf/10.1086/317493?cookieSet=1
1918 death rates, no need to smoke them out out those hills
Africa and Asia had fall death rates an order
of magnitude higher than those of Europe and North America
(e.g., India, 4200–6700 deaths per 100,000 population; England,
490 deaths per 100,000 population) [19].
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Will you have the flu-shots, that has already got a license before they have been tested...............Plus a no sue contract ,when people turn into veggies. Its all geared up for Baxter boys
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No. Selenium supplements and garlic boost the immune system against viruses; selenium deficiency weakens the immune system to fight viruses.
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Yep I know, so why is there a big push for brain-washing the masses for flu shots, and why the secrecy of the ID of chap in Basildon. Others they have named that have died.
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TAMIFLU makes ££££s; selenium shots/supplements are cheap. Garlic and selinic acid can be purchased in your veg shop, Admitted, vulnerable might need tamiflu. but not healthy, well nurished folk where a few days self care/bed rest/plenty of fluids/lack of high protein in diet is the best course for many. |
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| swords are doubled edged wrote: | | GreenBlue wrote: | | swords are doubled edged wrote: | | GreenBlue wrote: |
| swords are doubled edged wrote: | | swords are doubled edged wrote: | | swords are doubled edged wrote: | | Harvs wrote: | You did read the BBC article I take it? The researchers quoted in the story state that the risk to the indigenous population is increased "because they are more likely to be malnourished and living in poverty."
Last time I checked a virus doesn't need to be man-made to pose a greater risk to those with a poorer quality of life. The article doesn't support in any way the crazed notion that this virus was designed by men tro target certain people. I think in the space of this thread you've implied that it's designed to targets Mexicans, then Asians, now indigenous people generally. Make your mind up! And while you're at it, stop with this conspiracy theory nonsense, any epidemiologist or public health specialist will tell you that we are overdue a global pandemic of some sort! They are expected every 25 to 35 years, and we haven't seen one since 1967 if I remember correctly.
Well done for not using Daily Mail references though, I think it should apply to pretty much all newspapers though to be honest, if you read Ben Goldacre's blog (www.badscience.net), you'll realise just how poor most science reporting is, journalists are a lazy bunch when it comes to checking facts etc.
I await with excitement the next conspiracy theory.
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Not that long Harvs, my H1N1 bio-weapon is based on the what the good Dr remarked. This was way back in 2003 and the scare story of boogey bearded one's,releasing fable terrorist attack. This was also the height of the Iraq war......Chemical Ali and the UEA etc. We was all getting scared *hitless by the media. I have just reversed the idea its not the boogey man bearded one's but the NWO and their plans for Eugenics and land/oil grabbing of Iraq, Iran, Afganistan etc. Bush junior said after 9/11; Were going to smoke em out. That has not worked after 8 years and has cost a great deal of money and much more in loss in soldiers lives. Do you think we can or the British people can put up with our lads ,being killed at the present rate.....So we can't smoke em out, which leaves the door open for old fashioned bio-warfare.......Science can be a cure or a killer.
BBC NEWS | Health | Flu bioweapon fears
They warn that once the sequencing is complete, unscrupulous scientists could use the information to create more virulent strains.
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http://www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/pdf/10.1086/317493?cookieSet=1
1918 death rates, no need to smoke them out out those hills
Africa and Asia had fall death rates an order
of magnitude higher than those of Europe and North America
(e.g., India, 4200–6700 deaths per 100,000 population; England,
490 deaths per 100,000 population) [19].
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Will you have the flu-shots, that has already got a license before they have been tested...............Plus a no sue contract ,when people turn into veggies. Its all geared up for Baxter boys
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No. Selenium supplements and garlic boost the immune system against viruses; selenium deficiency weakens the immune system to fight viruses.
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Yep I know, so why is there a big push for brain-washing the masses for flu shots, and why the secrecy of the ID of chap in Basildon. Others they have named that have died.
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TAMIFLU makes ££££s; selenium shots/supplements are cheap. Garlic and selinic acid can be purchased in your veg shop, Admitted, vulnerable might need tamiflu. but not healthy, well nurished folk where a few days self care/bed rest/plenty of fluids/lack of high protein in diet is the best course for many. |
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plus your 2 weeks off. with Gords blessing.
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Its a man made job........everyone stop calling it Swine Flu..H1N1 is an inside job
Did leak from a laboratory cause swine flu pandemic? - Science, News - The Independent
Scientists investigating the genetic make-up of flu viruses have concluded
there is a high probability that the H1N1 strain of influenza "A"
behind the current pandemic might never have been re-introduced into the
human population were it not for an accidental leak from a laboratory
working on the same strain in 1977.
KEEP ON ROCKIN! IN THE FREE WORLD
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