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28/04/2009, 12:25 AM
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Only stocks going up today are the big viral producers........Rumsfeld and Gore big winners
The WHO's Assistant Director-General for Communicable Diseases, Dr.
David Heymann, replied that the WHO Guidance document had been removed
from the WHO website. The guidelines had been modified.
Dr. Heymann said that intellectual property exists on avian influenza
viruses that had been modified. Stating that there was a need to identify
best practices and that the WHO is transparent, he said that there are
material transfer agreements and that there are patents. There was also
a need to learn from the lessons.
Earlier, Dr. Heymann had also told a World Health Assembly committee
session discussing the sharing of avian flu virus that the WHO's 2005
Guidance had been "removed" and would no longer be in effect,
after an advisory group had looked at "best practices."
The patenting of products and techniques containing viruses or parts
of viruses, by drug companies and research institutions, has been a
controversial part of the WHA's discussions on sharing flu viruses.
The announced "withdrawal" of the WHO Guidance 2003 and its
"replacement" with a "best practices" document has
also become a controversial element of the WHA discussion. http://www.twnside.org.sg/title2/health.info/twninfohealth090.htm http://www.swissinfo.org/eng/swissinfo.html?siteSect=881&sid=7174603
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28/04/2009, 6:21 PM
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ironsmad wrote: | Only stocks going up today are the big viral producers........Rumsfeld and Gore big winners
The WHO's Assistant Director-General for Communicable Diseases, Dr.
David Heymann, replied that the WHO Guidance document had been removed
from the WHO website. The guidelines had been modified.
Dr. Heymann said that intellectual property exists on avian influenza
viruses that had been modified. Stating that there was a need to identify
best practices and that the WHO is transparent, he said that there are
material transfer agreements and that there are patents. There was also
a need to learn from the lessons.
Earlier, Dr. Heymann had also told a World Health Assembly committee
session discussing the sharing of avian flu virus that the WHO's 2005
Guidance had been "removed" and would no longer be in effect,
after an advisory group had looked at "best practices."
The patenting of products and techniques containing viruses or parts
of viruses, by drug companies and research institutions, has been a
controversial part of the WHA's discussions on sharing flu viruses.
The announced "withdrawal" of the WHO Guidance 2003 and its
"replacement" with a "best practices" document has
also become a controversial element of the WHA discussion. http://www.twnside.org.sg/title2/health.info/twninfohealth090.htm http://www.swissinfo.org/eng/swissinfo.html?siteSect=881&sid=7174603
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According to biosecurity monitoring firm Veratect, residents believe
the outbreak has been caused by contamination from the pig-breeding
farms in the area. They believe the farms polluted the atmosphere and
local water, which in turn led to the crisis. It is also now known that
there was a widespread outbreak of a powerful respiratory disease in
the La Gloria area earlier this month, with some residents falling ill
in February. Health workers soon intervened, sealing off the
town and spraying chemicals to kill the flies that were reportedly
swarming through people's homes.
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Protection: Karya Lustig, a trainer at California’s La Clinica de la Raza, shows clerks how to use protective respiratory masks Masks are going like hotcakes in Britain, the head bags tend to get steamed up.
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29/04/2009, 12:28 AM
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The UK is one of the best prepared countries to deal with swine flu
and "all action necessary" will be taken to stop its spread, Gordon
Brown has said.
He has also said the same about the recession,this man has said many things "No more boom or bust". "no one saw this recession coming". " This is a very big terrorist plot ". So when this unelected leader spouts spin about piggy flu. Remember they only have enough anti-viral to treat half of us.
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29/04/2009, 2:13 AM
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29/04/2009, 5:46 AM
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ironsmad wrote: | ironsmad wrote: | Only stocks going up today are the big viral producers........Rumsfeld and Gore big winners
The WHO's Assistant Director-General for Communicable Diseases, Dr. David Heymann, replied that the WHO Guidance document had been removed from the WHO website. The guidelines had been modified.
Dr. Heymann said that intellectual property exists on avian influenza viruses that had been modified. Stating that there was a need to identify best practices and that the WHO is transparent, he said that there are material transfer agreements and that there are patents. There was also a need to learn from the lessons.
Earlier, Dr. Heymann had also told a World Health Assembly committee session discussing the sharing of avian flu virus that the WHO's 2005 Guidance had been "removed" and would no longer be in effect, after an advisory group had looked at "best practices."
The patenting of products and techniques containing viruses or parts of viruses, by drug companies and research institutions, has been a controversial part of the WHA's discussions on sharing flu viruses.
The announced "withdrawal" of the WHO Guidance 2003 and its "replacement" with a "best practices" document has also become a controversial element of the WHA discussion. http://www.twnside.org.sg/title2/health.info/twninfohealth090.htm http://www.swissinfo.org/eng/swissinfo.html?siteSect=881&sid=7174603
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According to biosecurity monitoring firm Veratect, residents believe the outbreak has been caused by contamination from the pig-breeding farms in the area. They believe the farms polluted the atmosphere and local water, which in turn led to the crisis. It is also now known that there was a widespread outbreak of a powerful respiratory disease in the La Gloria area earlier this month, with some residents falling ill in February.
Health workers soon intervened, sealing off the town and spraying chemicals to kill the flies that were reportedly swarming through people's homes.
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Protection: Karya Lustig, a trainer at California’s La Clinica de la Raza, shows clerks how to use protective respiratory masks Masks are going like hotcakes in Britain, the head bags tend to get steamed up.
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Apparentently madtosh, Dr John Battersby for Norfolk disagrees with your above irresponsible scarmongering.
http://www.eveningnews24.co.uk/content/news/story.aspx?brand=ENOnline&category=News&tBrand=ENOnline&tCategory=news&itemid=NOED27%20Apr%202009%2017%3A25%3A35%3A777
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29/04/2009, 9:24 PM
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Try reading what Dr John said Bluebottle It is very early days at the moment, so it is important to avoid
speculation. What we know about this particular strain is it does seem
to be spreading rapidly, but outside Mexico cases the cases have been
relatively mild and I'm not aware of any deaths.
“So if that
continues, then I guess we can anticipate it will spread to the UK at
some stage and we will get people infected with a similar, relatively
mild illness.
“But in the last few days it has become clear
things can change and that is one of the first elements of uncertainty
that goes with a potential pandemic.”
No safe vaccine exists for swine flu, and Dr Battersby believes one is at least three or four months away. Paul Hunter was more on the ball Paul Hunter, professor of health protection at the University of East
Anglia, said he was concerned just how many cases had been reported in
other countries since the Mexican outbreak.
He said: “Although
it is always very difficult to predict the course of an outbreak this
early on, the fact that cases are already being reported from around
the world is of concern. This suggests to me that the virus certainly
does have epidemic potential.”
http://www.cdc.gov/swineflu/masks.htm?s_cid=tw_epr_76
The outbreak of disease in people caused by a new influenza virus of
swine origin continues to grow in the United States and
internationally. Today, CDC reports additional confirmed human
infections, hospitalizations and the nation’s first fatality from this
outbreak. The more recent illnesses and the reported death suggest that
a pattern of more severe illness associated with this virus may be
emerging in the U.S. Most people will not have immunity to this new
virus and, as it continues to spread, more cases, more hospitalizations
and more deaths are expected in the coming days and weeks.
Protection: Karya Lustig, a trainer at California’s La Clinica de la Raza, shows clerks how to use protective respiratory masks Masks are going like hotcakes in Britain, the head bags tend to get steamed up.
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29/04/2009, 10:53 PM
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ironsmad wrote: | Try reading what Dr John said Bluebottle It is very early days at the moment, so it is important to avoid speculation. What we know about this particular strain is it does seem to be spreading rapidly, but outside Mexico cases the cases have been relatively mild and I'm not aware of any deaths.
“So if that continues, then I guess we can anticipate it will spread to the UK at some stage and we will get people infected with a similar, relatively mild illness.
“But in the last few days it has become clear things can change and that is one of the first elements of uncertainty that goes with a potential pandemic.”
No safe vaccine exists for swine flu, and Dr Battersby believes one is at least three or four months away. Paul Hunter was more on the ball Paul Hunter, professor of health protection at the University of East Anglia, said he was concerned just how many cases had been reported in other countries since the Mexican outbreak.
He said: “Although it is always very difficult to predict the course of an outbreak this early on, the fact that cases are already being reported from around the world is of concern. This suggests to me that the virus certainly does have epidemic potential.”
http://www.cdc.gov/swineflu/masks.htm?s_cid=tw_epr_76
The outbreak of disease in people caused by a new influenza virus of swine origin continues to grow in the United States and internationally. Today, CDC reports additional confirmed human infections, hospitalizations and the nation’s first fatality from this outbreak. The more recent illnesses and the reported death suggest that a pattern of more severe illness associated with this virus may be emerging in the U.S. Most people will not have immunity to this new virus and, as it continues to spread, more cases, more hospitalizations and more deaths are expected in the coming days and weeks.
Protection: Karya Lustig, a trainer at California’s La Clinica de la Raza, shows clerks how to use protective respiratory masks Masks are going like hotcakes in Britain, the head bags tend to get steamed up.
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Try rereading Doc Battersby "so it is important to avoid speculation"
That's what you are doing mad, and scaremongering spectulation at that.
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30/04/2009, 12:16 AM
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GreenBlue wrote: | ironsmad wrote: | Try reading what Dr John said Bluebottle It is very early days at the moment, so it is important to avoid speculation. What we know about this particular strain is it does seem to be spreading rapidly, but outside Mexico cases the cases have been relatively mild and I'm not aware of any deaths.
“So if that continues, then I guess we can anticipate it will spread to the UK at some stage and we will get people infected with a similar, relatively mild illness.
“But in the last few days it has become clear things can change and that is one of the first elements of uncertainty that goes with a potential pandemic.”
No safe vaccine exists for swine flu, and Dr Battersby believes one is at least three or four months away. Paul Hunter was more on the ball Paul Hunter, professor of health protection at the University of East Anglia, said he was concerned just how many cases had been reported in other countries since the Mexican outbreak.
He said: “Although it is always very difficult to predict the course of an outbreak this early on, the fact that cases are already being reported from around the world is of concern. This suggests to me that the virus certainly does have epidemic potential.”
http://www.cdc.gov/swineflu/masks.htm?s_cid=tw_epr_76
The outbreak of disease in people caused by a new influenza virus of swine origin continues to grow in the United States and internationally. Today, CDC reports additional confirmed human infections, hospitalizations and the nation’s first fatality from this outbreak. The more recent illnesses and the reported death suggest that a pattern of more severe illness associated with this virus may be emerging in the U.S. Most people will not have immunity to this new virus and, as it continues to spread, more cases, more hospitalizations and more deaths are expected in the coming days and weeks.
Protection: Karya Lustig, a trainer at California’s La Clinica de la Raza, shows clerks how to use protective respiratory masks Masks are going like hotcakes in Britain, the head bags tend to get steamed up.
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Try rereading Doc Battersby "so it is important to avoid speculation"
That's what you are doing mad, and scaremongering spectulation at that. |
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30/04/2009, 1:17 AM
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ironsmad wrote: | GreenBlue wrote: |
ironsmad wrote: | Try reading what Dr John said Bluebottle It is very early days at the moment, so it is important to avoid speculation. What we know about this particular strain is it does seem to be spreading rapidly, but outside Mexico cases the cases have been relatively mild and I'm not aware of any deaths.
“So if that continues, then I guess we can anticipate it will spread to the UK at some stage and we will get people infected with a similar, relatively mild illness.
“But in the last few days it has become clear things can change and that is one of the first elements of uncertainty that goes with a potential pandemic.”
No safe vaccine exists for swine flu, and Dr Battersby believes one is at least three or four months away. Paul Hunter was more on the ball Paul Hunter, professor of health protection at the University of East Anglia, said he was concerned just how many cases had been reported in other countries since the Mexican outbreak.
He said: “Although it is always very difficult to predict the course of an outbreak this early on, the fact that cases are already being reported from around the world is of concern. This suggests to me that the virus certainly does have epidemic potential.”
http://www.cdc.gov/swineflu/masks.htm?s_cid=tw_epr_76
The outbreak of disease in people caused by a new influenza virus of swine origin continues to grow in the United States and internationally. Today, CDC reports additional confirmed human infections, hospitalizations and the nation’s first fatality from this outbreak. The more recent illnesses and the reported death suggest that a pattern of more severe illness associated with this virus may be emerging in the U.S. Most people will not have immunity to this new virus and, as it continues to spread, more cases, more hospitalizations and more deaths are expected in the coming days and weeks.
Protection: Karya Lustig, a trainer at California’s La Clinica de la Raza, shows clerks how to use protective respiratory masks Masks are going like hotcakes in Britain, the head bags tend to get steamed up.
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Try rereading Doc Battersby "so it is important to avoid speculation"
That's what you are doing mad, and scaremongering spectulation at that.
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http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-8674401787208020885
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Usual scaremongering/ propa-gaa-gaa
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30/04/2009, 10:18 PM
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30/04/2009, 11:16 PM
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http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article5950442.ece
JONATHON PORRITT, one of Gordon Brown’s leading green advisers, is to warn
that Britain must drastically reduce its population if it is to build a
sustainable society.
Porritt’s call will come at this week’s annual conference of the Optimum
Population Trust (OPT), of which he is patron.
The trust will release research suggesting UK population must be cut to 30m if
the country wants to feed itself sustainably. 32 million shots of anti-viral is our stock
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02/05/2009, 1:03 AM
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Level 1 Patients at risk of their condition deteriorating, or those recently relocated from higher levels of care whose needs can be met on an acute ward with additional advice and support from the critical care team. Level 2 Patients requiring more detailed observation or intervention including support for a single failing organ system or postoperative care, and those stepping down from higher levels of care. Level 3 Patients needing monitoring and support for two or more organ systems one of which may be basic or advanced respiratory support. Intensive Care Society - Levels of Care 2002 12. On 16 January 2006, there were 3,233 critical care beds open in England. With piggy flu now renamed H1N1 is this a clue that it has nothing to do with swine at all. Looking at the amount of critical beds in England , there could be a lot of angry relatives demanding that their love one's get treated. Which is why NCC bought into a private security company , these chaps have training to move traffic on and power of arrest. With one road into the NN this seems to be the plan to stop sick people/relatives getting to the hospital............And then again with the flu now looking like a lab job, akin to foot and mouth 2001................ it could be all one big hoax at the same time to make Donald R and his chem friends billions. http://www.dh.gov.uk/en/Publicationsandstatistics/Publications/PublicationsPolicyAndGuidance/DH_080744 http://www.whale.to/a/swine_fluq.html http://www.baltimorechronicle.com/2006/050806Markoff.shtml http://www.whale.to/a/rumsfeld.html
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02/05/2009, 5:23 PM
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ironsmad wrote: | GreenBlue wrote: | ironsmad wrote: | GreenBlue wrote: | ironsmad wrote: | Thanks for link bluebottle, from that site I got this link Exercise to prepare for flu pandemic - Press & Journal
Exercise to prepare for flu pandemic
Tayside officials to play major role
By Tim Pauling
Published: 21/04/2009
OFFICIALS in Tayside will play a major role in an emergency exercise designed to make sure Scotland is prepared for a flu pandemic.
The month-long exercise, due to start next week, will test government agencies on their readiness to respond to a major outbreak.
Just like 9-11 or 7-7 governments were acting out terror attacks as real one's broke out,weird or is it planned. Along with the fact that the government contacted all councils in Britain on how much spare plots were in burial sites. You can have a bet when masks start appearing in Britain, Trains/tube.
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So Mad whilst you are spreading fear and hype about organised pandemic death; faster than H1N1 itself; the Scotish government is making plans to save scottish folks. Sounds sensible preparation to me. Perhaps CommonPurpose are training them up??![Big Smile [:D]](/cs/emoticons/emotion-2.gif)
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CP are a nasty little scum outfit...........loads in NHS .....which is why hospitals are full of germs,expect medical services pick and choose those who will live or die.
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I suppose you'll label lots of good Doctors and Nurses as CP infiltrators as well when they are treating folks from Mexican Flu.
Keep taking the Garlic tablets Mad!
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vinegar is better in halting the spread of any such killer virus,people should stock up with it, the 2nd wave of flu in this sept/oct will be far worse than this spring virus. six months the world has to decide its future. Non-action will cost many lives.Then again that is the NWO plan.
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Obviously NWO does exist in the real world.
Garlic treats systemetically (silenic acid) via the immume system; used for years/Romans/Greeks/medicinal anti bact, viral, fungal properties.. Vinegar is like alcohol, it just deals with skin/ throat surface /disinfectant stuff; one chopped raw garlic clove in you salad Mad will been the immune system is top notch.
Everyone will get hit with the flu eventually. So vinegar stops one or two waves of infection/exposure; but eventually it catches up to you...so two options
1) anti virals,
2) ensure one's immune system is in good shape when it does hit..(sleep, vitamens, sleep, less protein, fruit, veg, avoid overdoing things) so effects are less, milder...rather than being hospitalised causalty...or a mortality.
Get is over with like the chickenpox parties (another virus)
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02/05/2009, 5:52 PM
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Selenic Acid..natural means of Selenium intake
http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/topics/Selenium
Dietary selenium comes from nuts, cereals, meat, fish, and eggs. Brazil nut
The Brazil nut is a South American tree in the family Lecythidaceae, and also the name of the tree's commercially harvested edible seed.The Brazil nut tree is the only species in the monotypic genus Bertholletia.... s are the richest ordinary dietary source (though this is soil-dependent, since the Brazil nut does not require high levels of the element for its own needs).
HIV/AIDS: Some research has indicated a geographical link between regions of selenium deficient soils and peak incidences of HIV
Human immunodeficiency virus is a lentivirus that can lead to AIDS , a condition in humans in which the immune system begins to fail, leading to life-threatening opportunistic infections.... /AIDS
Acquired immune deficiency syndrome or acquired immunodeficiency syndrome is a disease of the human immune system caused by the HIV .... infection. For example, much of sub-Saharan Africa
Sub-Saharan Africa is a geographical term used to describe the area of the African continent which lies south of the Sahara, or those African countries which are fully or partially located south of the Sahara.... is low in selenium.
However Senegal , officially the Republic of Senegal, is a country south of the S?n?gal River in West Africa. Senegal is bounded by the Atlantic Ocean to the west, Mauritania to the north, Mali to the east, and Guinea and Guinea-Bissau to the south.... is not, and also has a significantly lower level of AIDS infection than the rest of the continent. AIDS appears to involve a slow and progressive decline in levels of selenium in the body. Whether this decline in selenium levels is a direct result of the replication of HIV or related more generally to the overall malabsorption of nutrients by AIDS patients remains debated.
Low selenium levels in AIDS patients have been directly correlated with decreased immune cell count and increased disease progression and risk of death. Selenium normally acts as an antioxidant, so low levels of it may increase oxidative stress on the immune system leading to more rapid decline of the immune system. Others have argued that HIV encodes for the human selenoenzyme glutathione peroxidase, which depletes the victim's selenium levels. Depleted selenium levels in turn lead to a decline in CD4 helper T-cells, further weakening the immune system.
Regardless of the cause of depleted selenium levels in AIDS patients, studies have shown that selenium deficiency does strongly correlate with the progression of the disease and the risk of death.
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08/05/2009, 12:22 AM
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GreenBlue wrote: | ironsmad wrote: | GreenBlue wrote: | ironsmad wrote: | GreenBlue wrote: | ironsmad wrote: | Thanks for link bluebottle, from that site I got this link Exercise to prepare for flu pandemic - Press & Journal
Exercise to prepare for flu pandemic
Tayside officials to play major role
By Tim Pauling
Published: 21/04/2009
OFFICIALS in Tayside will play a major role in an emergency exercise designed to make sure Scotland is prepared for a flu pandemic.
The month-long exercise, due to start next week, will test government agencies on their readiness to respond to a major outbreak.
Just like 9-11 or 7-7 governments were acting out terror attacks as real one's broke out,weird or is it planned. Along with the fact that the government contacted all councils in Britain on how much spare plots were in burial sites. You can have a bet when masks start appearing in Britain, Trains/tube.
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So Mad whilst you are spreading fear and hype about organised pandemic death; faster than H1N1 itself; the Scotish government is making plans to save scottish folks. Sounds sensible preparation to me. Perhaps CommonPurpose are training them up??![Big Smile [:D]](/cs/emoticons/emotion-2.gif)
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CP are a nasty little scum outfit...........loads in NHS .....which is why hospitals are full of germs,expect medical services pick and choose those who will live or die.
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I suppose you'll label lots of good Doctors and Nurses as CP infiltrators as well when they are treating folks from Mexican Flu.
Keep taking the Garlic tablets Mad!
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vinegar is better in halting the spread of any such killer virus,people should stock up with it, the 2nd wave of flu in this sept/oct will be far worse than this spring virus. six months the world has to decide its future. Non-action will cost many lives.Then again that is the NWO plan.
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Obviously NWO does exist in the real world.
Garlic treats systemetically (silenic acid) via the immume system; used for years/Romans/Greeks/medicinal anti bact, viral, fungal properties.. Vinegar is like alcohol, it just deals with skin/ throat surface /disinfectant stuff; one chopped raw garlic clove in you salad Mad will been the immune system is top notch.
Everyone will get hit with the flu eventually. So vinegar stops one or two waves of infection/exposure; but eventually it catches up to you...so two options
1) anti virals,
2) ensure one's immune system is in good shape when it does hit..(sleep, vitamens, sleep, less protein, fruit, veg, avoid overdoing things) so effects are less, milder...rather than being hospitalised causalty...or a mortality.
Get is over with like the chickenpox parties (another virus)
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The over 40's may have a dose of this H1N1 back in 77, I had a dose of flu back .......which was also spring time.....missed FA cup final... zonked out. And this one looks like a lab job.........A NWO scare,trial run, also the anti-viral drugs use by date is near........more cash for Rumsfeld New Strain May Edge Out Seasonal Flu Bugs : NPR
Professor John Oxford at St. Bart's and the Royal London Hospital says there's some reason for cautious optimism. "In
one sense, it's one of the mildest shifts because most people on the
planet have got some memory, have come across H1N1 viruses since 1978,"
Oxford says. Even though health officials are calling this new
virus H1N1, that's also the type of virus that's in wide circulation
today. And it has an interesting history. It was the dominant flu virus
through the 1920s, '30s and '40s. Oxford says it disappeared in 1957,
when it was displaced by another flu virus. But then a strain of H1N1
suddenly reappeared in 1977. "Now where could it have come
from?" he asks. "We reckon now, in retrospect, it was probably released
accidentally from a laboratory, probably in northern China or just
across the border in Russia, because everyone was experimenting with
those viruses at the time in the lab." It was nothing
malicious, Oxford believes, just some flu vaccine research that broke
out of containment. The descendents of this virus are still
circulating. He notes that most people who have encountered the newly
emerged H1N1 virus seem to have developed only mild disease, and he
speculates that's because we have all been exposed to a distant cousin,
the H1N1 virus that emerged in the 1970s.
Swine flu hits youngsters more, swine flu immunity less for young people | DWS Pill Scribe
Swine flu and age: It’s worse for youngsters
H1N1 virus’s attack on youngsters is a total departure from the
normal pattern of the influenza virus which mainly targets the elderly.
With the new swine flu outbreak, it is more and more younger people
than the aged are entering hospitals, as per hospital sources in US.
“Very few” patients with swine flu are older than 50, and the median
age is 17. It’s possible that the elderly have greater immunity, said
Anne Schuchat of the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention
(CDC). Worldwide government stockpiles of Tamiflu set to expire in 2009-2010
Several governments are reporting that their stockpiles of Tamiflu are either at or near the expiration date, here, here, here, here, here,
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