|
|
Opinion
Topic has 397 replies.
  
|
|
Sort Posts:
|
|
|
|
 11/08/2008, 12:57 PM
|
Hide the decline
Joined on 12/03/2008
Posts 1,356
|
|
|
 GreenBlue wrote: | Great value for money and keeps high value jobs in Norwich. Well done Dave Viner. Just proves understanding climate is important., whether or not people can't stomach the conclusions.
Climate Camp acheived little IMO, other than providing the UK's 1500 most secure and cheapest 1500 camping holidays. Total waste of police overtime and helicopter resources which should been catching drugs mafia, villains, car joy riders and crooks.
Well greenbottle if you don't come up with the answers for those who have invested their money or the tax payer cash , Defra ,EU to name a few, and those answers are global clap trap fairy story. What is what that they wanted to hear all along , so they can implement new taxes (Green ).If they CRU had reported or concluded that mans input was not the main source of global warming would they get the same money in future to safe guard their jobs. Employment in university's has to many non fixed contracts, which does not help the cause of impartial research .
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Report
|
|
|
|
|
11/08/2008, 2:02 PM
|
Hide the decline
Joined on 12/03/2008
Posts 1,356
|
|
|
|
| Harvs wrote: | | Good man, i am indeed bored out of my mind already, i'll have to check that out in between test match updates on the bbc website! You gonna be outside with the Speckled Hen again today? |
|
No booze today , off to the wilds of Corton for a bit of beach fishing ,might drive up to Yarmouth after , for a look at the new free holiday camp. Hi Dee Hi .
|
|
|
|
|
Report
|
|
|
|
|
11/08/2008, 3:30 PM
|
Harvs
Joined on 17/04/2008
Posts 37
|
|
|
|
| GreenBlue wrote: | |
Great value for money and keeps high value jobs in Norwich. Well done Dave Viner. Just proves understanding climate is important., whether or not people can't stomach the conclusions.
Climate Camp acheived little IMO, other than providing the UK's 1500 most secure and cheapest 1500 camping holidays. Total waste of police overtime and helicopter resources which should been catching drugs mafia, villains, car joy riders and crooks.
|
|
Not to mention those nasty cyclists cycling on pavements!
|
|
|
|
|
Report
|
|
|
|
|
11/08/2008, 7:34 PM
|
GreenBlue
 
Joined on 01/06/2008
Posts 1,602
|
|
|
|
| ironsmad wrote: | |
Well greenbottle if you don't come up with the answers for those who have invested their money or the tax payer cash , Defra ,EU to name a few, and those answers are global clap trap fairy story. What is what that they wanted to hear all along , so they can implement new taxes (Green ).If they CRU had reported or concluded that mans input was not the main source of global warming would they get the same money in future to safe guard their jobs. Employment in university's has to many non fixed contracts, which does not help the cause of impartial research .
|
|
Sorry tosh; I hear what you are saying, but it amounts to utter garbage and spurious conjecture. Look several other top unis like Cambridge, Oxford, Durham were finding similar evidence/research in the late 80's when Thatcher was around. Money came from NERC. Defra weren't around (MAFF, CoCo) and the EEC were promoting wheat mountains/wine lakes, and any notion of climate change to them at the time amounted to "nuclear winter" from across the Berlin Wall. IMO the CRU states what it finds from the data, good, bad or indifferent; is highly scrutined and peer reviewed globally without credible pin pricks to its intepretations or impartiality for this. Even oil companies now. Adapting from one way of life, to another is unpalitble and the messengers unpopular. A hundred years in Solitude mentality, or New Orleans tidal surge defence requirements to Bush and FEMA's former chicken little boss.
|
|
|
|
|
Report
|
|
|
|
|
11/08/2008, 7:39 PM
|
GreenBlue
Joined on 01/06/2008
Posts 1,602
|
|
|
|
| Harvs wrote: | | GreenBlue wrote: | |
Great value for money and keeps high value jobs in Norwich. Well done Dave Viner. Just proves understanding climate is important., whether or not people can't stomach the conclusions.
Climate Camp acheived little IMO, other than providing the UK's 1500 most secure and cheapest 1500 camping holidays. Total waste of police overtime and helicopter resources which should been catching drugs mafia, villains, car joy riders and crooks.
|
|
Not to mention those nasty cyclists cycling on pavements!
|
|
And the pavement cyclsts; I think in Norfolk its a FPN after the 2nd warning. Saves the paperwork apparently.
|
|
|
|
|
Report
|
|
|
|
|
28/11/2008, 7:56 PM
|
Hide the decline
Joined on 12/03/2008
Posts 1,356
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
28/11/2008, 8:18 PM
|
Hide the decline
Joined on 12/03/2008
Posts 1,356
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
10/12/2008, 11:50 PM
|
Hide the decline
Joined on 12/03/2008
Posts 1,356
|
|
|
|
Now that the minster of fiction wants more of the great unwashed and The Carbon People fearing front or just plain stupid.To rise up demand action on the make believe MMGW. You now have to wonder about this pea brain pint sized twit. Is he up to the job or is the rest of Europe laughing at him and us. Another BBL plonker at least the poles can see whats happening on the energy crises we face.
As for the host nation Poland, it produces 94 per cent of its energy
from its own supplies of coal – the devil's fuel, according to the
Kyoto process. Other European countries have, in effect, attempted to
bribe the Poles to agree to take Russian gas instead of using their own
coal to keep the country going. If they understood anything about the
history of Poland, they would surely realise that there is not a chance
that the Poles would voluntarily make themselves reliant on Russia to
keep the lights on. I wonder if the hosts might suddenly arrange to
have the delegates' hotel heating turned off in freezing Poznan, just
to get the point across.
As coal comes back into fashion, how serious are we about carbon reduction? - Times Online
Dominic Lawson: Kyoto is worthless (and you don't have to be a sceptic to believe that now) - Dominic Lawson, Commentators - The Independent
|
|
|
|
|
Report
|
|
|
|
|
11/12/2008, 7:09 AM
|
GreenBlue
Joined on 01/06/2008
Posts 1,602
|
|
|
|
| ironsmad wrote: |
Now that the minster of fiction wants more of the great unwashed and The Carbon People fearing front or just plain stupid.To rise up demand action on the make believe MMGW. You now have to wonder about this pea brain pint sized twit. Is he up to the job or is the rest of Europe laughing at him and us. Another BBL plonker at least the poles can see whats happening on the energy crises we face.
As for the host nation Poland, it produces 94 per cent of its energy from its own supplies of coal – the devil's fuel, according to the Kyoto process. Other European countries have, in effect, attempted to bribe the Poles to agree to take Russian gas instead of using their own coal to keep the country going. If they understood anything about the history of Poland, they would surely realise that there is not a chance that the Poles would voluntarily make themselves reliant on Russia to keep the lights on. I wonder if the hosts might suddenly arrange to have the delegates' hotel heating turned off in freezing Poznan, just to get the point across.
As coal comes back into fashion, how serious are we about carbon reduction? - Times Online
Dominic Lawson: Kyoto is worthless (and you don't have to be a sceptic to believe that now) - Dominic Lawson, Commentators - The Independent
|
|
No time for Climate Change plain stupid folk. Poles are trashing their environment and air, as they fear Russians gas extortion. Other than CO2 emissions, fine particles, lignite coal has high sulphur content.Not great thinking. Coal's not the problem, its the power technology used and location. What is needed is Clean Coal, not Dirty Coal technology. The Germans are leaders in this CCT and have a couple of plants up. In the UK CCT technology on the East Coast like Yarmouth, Teesside, Grimsby would be ideal to inject emissions into North Sea gas/oil wells. UK government need to get their skates on with CCT, not Kingsnorth
|
|
|
|
|
Report
|
|
|
|
|
12/12/2008, 11:29 AM
|
GreenBlue
Joined on 01/06/2008
Posts 1,602
|
|
|
|
| GreenBlue wrote: |
| ironsmad wrote: |
Now that the minster of fiction wants more of the great unwashed and The Carbon People fearing front or just plain stupid.To rise up demand action on the make believe MMGW. You now have to wonder about this pea brain pint sized twit. Is he up to the job or is the rest of Europe laughing at him and us. Another BBL plonker at least the poles can see whats happening on the energy crises we face.
As for the host nation Poland, it produces 94 per cent of its energy from its own supplies of coal – the devil's fuel, according to the Kyoto process. Other European countries have, in effect, attempted to bribe the Poles to agree to take Russian gas instead of using their own coal to keep the country going. If they understood anything about the history of Poland, they would surely realise that there is not a chance that the Poles would voluntarily make themselves reliant on Russia to keep the lights on. I wonder if the hosts might suddenly arrange to have the delegates' hotel heating turned off in freezing Poznan, just to get the point across.
As coal comes back into fashion, how serious are we about carbon reduction? - Times Online
Dominic Lawson: Kyoto is worthless (and you don't have to be a sceptic to believe that now) - Dominic Lawson, Commentators - The Independent
|
|
No time for Climate Change plain stupid folk. Poles are trashing their environment and air, as they fear Russians gas extortion. Other than CO2 emissions, fine particles, lignite coal has high sulphur content.Not great thinking. Coal's not the problem, its the power technology used and location. What is needed is Clean Coal, not Dirty Coal technology. The Germans are leaders in this CCT and have a couple of plants up. In the UK CCT technology on the East Coast like Yarmouth, Teesside, Grimsby would be ideal to inject emissions into North Sea gas/oil wells. UK government need to get their skates on with CCT, not Kingsnorth
|
|
Five bent bananas: oil tobacco well paid pseudo science apostles(dirty $$$$ lovin clap trap)
Most folk will be interested but not surprised the few (2%) anti MMGW scientists are "bent as bananas". Rather inconvenient. Very much like the pro tobacco drummed up experts of the 70's/80s for tobacco corporates, who sceptically said smoking doesn't cause lung cancer. Hmm!Pretty well knobbles madmaggots claims and sceptic BS. Same oil dollar lovin maggots have crept out of the pseudo scientific cellar for another payday! Frontiers of Freedom, the Cato Institute, National Center for Policy Analysis, Science and Environmental Policy Project (SEPP) are phoney scientific fronts for oil, car and tobacco companies. Dirty $$$$ = phoney science by bent bananas.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/ho tpolitics/reports/skeptics.html
Pallin, Polar Bears, Exxon-Mobile. http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/oct/01/sarahpalin.climatechange
New World Order of Exxon-Mobile http://www.exxonsecrets.org/index.php?mapid=1263
Swindled by a Swindle http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2008/jul/21/climatechange.carbonemissions1
Dr Frederik Seitz.
From the late 1970s to the late 1980s, Seitz worked as a paid consultant to R.J. Reynolds Tobacco Company. Hot Politics editorial consultant Mark Hertsgaard reported in Vanity Fair that helped the cigarette maker distribute $45 million for scientific research, which the company then touted in its advertising. Seitz himself eventually made over $585,000 during the approximately ten years that he worked for the tobacco industry.
Affiliations & Funding: Among the several skeptical organizations with which Dr. Seitz has been affiliated, he has been Chairman Emeritus of the George C. Marshall Institute, which received $630,000 from ExxonMobil between 1998 and 2005, according to the Greenpeace's Exxonsecrets.org and a review Exxon's financial documents. Seitz also served on the Board of Academic and Scientific Advisors for the Committee for a Constructive Tomorrow, which received $472,000 from Exxon from 1998 to 2005, according to the same sources.
Dr Richard S. Lindzen
Lindzen charges oil and coal interests $2,500 a day for his consulting services; his 1991 trip to testify before a Senate committee was paid for by Western Fuels, and a speech he wrote, entitled 'Global Warming: the Origin and Nature of Alleged Scientific Consensus,' was underwritten by OPEC."
Dr. Lindzen is a member of the Advisory Council of the Annapolis Center for Science Based Public Policy, which has received large amounts of funding from ExxonMobil and smaller amounts from Daimler Chrysler, according to a review Exxon's own financial documents and 990s from Daimler Chrysler's Foundation. Lindzen is a also been a contributor to the Cato Institute, which has taken $90,000 from Exxon since 1998, according to the website Exxonsecrets.org and a review Exxon financial documents.
Dr S. Fred Singer
Affiliations & Funding: Dr. Singer publicly denies receiving funding from energy industry sources, but he has acknowledged previously being a paid consultant for several oil companies. In addition, his organization -- the Science and Environmental Policy Project (SEPP) -- has received multiple grants from ExxonMobil, according to a review of Exxon's own financial documents and Greenpeace's Exxonsecrets.org. That site also shows that many of the other organizations with which Singer works -- Frontiers of Freedom, the Cato Institute, National Center for Policy Analysis -- have received large grants from Exxon as well
Dr Patrick J. Michaels
Affiliations & Funding: Dr. Michaels has acknowledged receiving funding from energy industry sources. He edits "World Climate Review," a newsletter and blog funded by the Western Fuels Association, a coalition of coal and electricity interests. Among the energy companies and groups from which he has received funding are the German Coal Mining Association, the Edison Electric Institute, and the Cyprus Minerals Company. According to ABC News, in February 2006, the Intermountain Rural Electric Association "contributed $100,000 to Dr. Michaels."
Dr Robert C. Balling, Jr
Affiliations & Funding: Journalist Ross Gelbspan reported in 1995 that Balling had received "more than $200,000 from coal and oil interests in Great Britain, Germany, and elsewhere." Dr. Balling has also received funding since 1989 from the Kuwaiti government, which paid for a version of Balling's A Heated Debate to be released in the Middle East. According to Greenpeace's Exxonsecrets.org, Dr. Balling conducted an ExxonMobil-funded study in 2002 entitled "The 2000 United States Historical Climate Network Update: What Changed?"
|
|
|
|
|
Report
|
|
|
|
|
12/12/2008, 11:50 AM
|
GreenBlue
Joined on 01/06/2008
Posts 1,602
|
|
|
|
| GreenBlue wrote: |
| ironsmad wrote: |
Now that the minster of fiction wants more of the great unwashed and The Carbon People fearing front or just plain stupid.To rise up demand action on the make believe MMGW. You now have to wonder about this pea brain pint sized twit. Is he up to the job or is the rest of Europe laughing at him and us. Another BBL plonker at least the poles can see whats happening on the energy crises we face.
As for the host nation Poland, it produces 94 per cent of its energy from its own supplies of coal – the devil's fuel, according to the Kyoto process. Other European countries have, in effect, attempted to bribe the Poles to agree to take Russian gas instead of using their own coal to keep the country going. If they understood anything about the history of Poland, they would surely realise that there is not a chance that the Poles would voluntarily make themselves reliant on Russia to keep the lights on. I wonder if the hosts might suddenly arrange to have the delegates' hotel heating turned off in freezing Poznan, just to get the point across.
As coal comes back into fashion, how serious are we about carbon reduction? - Times Online
Dominic Lawson: Kyoto is worthless (and you don't have to be a sceptic to believe that now) - Dominic Lawson, Commentators - The Independent
|
|
No time for Climate Change plain stupid folk. Poles are trashing their environment and air, as they fear Russians gas extortion. Other than CO2 emissions, fine particles, lignite coal has high sulphur content.Not great thinking. Coal's not the problem, its the power technology used and location. What is needed is Clean Coal, not Dirty Coal technology. The Germans are leaders in this CCT and have a couple of plants up. In the UK CCT technology on the East Coast like Yarmouth, Teesside, Grimsby would be ideal to inject emissions into North Sea gas/oil wells. UK government need to get their skates on with CCT, not Kingsnorth
|
|
Swindle Director Martin Dirkin Skeptic k-nobbled Pt 1
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=lIjGynF4qkE
Martin Dirkin Skeptic k-nobbled Pt2
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=goDsc9IaSQ8
Pt3 http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=yoyqFNCoDRY&feature=related
Pt4 http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=y5gUd6y3zKU&feature=related
Pt5 http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=SIsX5I6mVWo&feature=related
Pt6 http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=_RY_qEyHbj0&feature=related
Pt7 http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=YRnyHIheR0I&feature=related
Pt 8 http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=I24QOvMUUyw&feature=related
|
|
|
|
|
Report
|
|
|
|
|
12/12/2008, 11:52 AM
|
GreenBlue
Joined on 01/06/2008
Posts 1,602
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
12/12/2008, 12:01 PM
|
Hide the decline
Joined on 12/03/2008
Posts 1,356
|
|
|
|
|
The following correction was printed in the Guardian's Corrections and clarifications column, Friday November 28 2008 In
the article below, we describe the geophysicist Professor Syun-Ichi
Akasofu as a founding director of the Heartland Institute. In fact he
has never held any formal position with the US thinktank
Two other contrarian scholars were cited. One was Syun-Ichi Akasofu,
formerly director of the International Arctic Research Centre, in
Alaska, who argues that climate change could be a hangover from the
little ice age. He is a founding director of the Heartland Institute, a
thinktank that has received $676,500 from ExxonMobil since 1998.
If they got this wrong what else, Palin would be good for a ---- and to share a cigar.
|
|
|
|
|
Report
|
|
|
|
|
12/12/2008, 12:24 PM
|
GreenBlue
Joined on 01/06/2008
Posts 1,602
|
|
|
|
| ironsmad wrote: | |
Palin would be good for a ---- and to share a cigar.
|
|
Pallin? Guess your near the mark on that. Hearttland, rotten apple, barrel comes to mind.
http://www.exxonsecrets.org/index.php?mapid=1263
Very interesting which individuals take the Exxon $$ for pseudo clap trap!
|
|
|
|
|
Report
|
|
|
|
|
Evening News 24 » You Say » Opinion » Climate Camp
|
|
|
|