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 25/04/2009, 12:57 AM
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May be statistics from the incinerator emissions on the general health of the population of the Rivenhall area, will be the blue print for other burners in white middle class areas.
EXCLUSIVE: Huge waste plant and incinerator given go ahead
Their votes were tied four each, with two abstentions, but chairman,
Cllr Bill Dick, dramatically sent the motion through with his casting
vote.
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06/06/2009, 4:13 AM
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06/06/2009, 9:42 AM
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I can't see how a tax would work, as these new burners get EU £'s for converting waste to energies. Unless its just another backdoor tax on the people of Eire.
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06/06/2009, 3:42 PM
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 ironsmad wrote: | I can't see how a tax would work, as these new burners get EU £'s for converting waste to energies. Unless its just another backdoor tax on the people of Eire.
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An incinerator is basically a toxic exhaust pipe. Incinerators round the EU are spun as Energy from Waste, when at 18-19% just electricity, or 27-29% efficiency as CHP; they are a "Waste of Energy" WOE. The EfW thing is a sneaky, now outdated lie/spin from 2000. Obviously it conned/pulled the wool over Mad. They are deadly disposal by toxic skyfilling essentially via massive 90m dispersal chimneys. If they are as clean as they are spun, they would only need a 10m chimney like plasma gasifers or a 5m exhaust from the gas engine of a AD digester. Food waste is food waste, plastics=plastics..you just need better technology and encourage it. Eire have chosen to do this, protect their folk.
No burner gets EU Renewable Obligation Certificate's cash unless it exceeds an efficiency formular value of 0.6 in 2010, 0.7 in 2014; which non do of cause, whether Spittoon in Vienna or CHP Sheffield. If they did they would only get one ROC; rather than 2xRoCs that twice as efficient Gasifiers and Digesters get.
Ireland will hike the gate fees for tonne wasted; encouraging better alternative technologies. They are doing right for Eire, reducing doixin/fine particle accumulation in folk; and to the pastures for beef and diary.
The big waste corporates mafias such as Suez Sita (French), Veolia (French), CYCLEVAL (Fench), WRG, FEE (Spanish) etc have their mafia and lobying fingers in the European Investment Bank in Luxenburg.
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13/06/2009, 7:57 AM
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01/07/2009, 10:25 PM
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| ironsmad wrote: | For some a burner is hope.
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Evening News 24 - Credit crunch torpedos Norwich waste plant plans
County Hall, which has already spent £2.5m working up a contract
refused to disclose the exact figure - citing commercial
confidentiality.
And Ian Monson, cabinet member for environment
and waste, insisted that despite dropping plans for a new treatment
plant, the authority would still meet its landfill targets thanks to
improved recycling rates.
Waste will now be sent to other parts
of the country while smaller scale food waste treatment plants - like
the controversial facility proposed at Marsham, near Alysham, could
also be built.
Sending waste to other parts of the country, to be burnt. A waste 2.5 million+ NCC could not organise a pee-up in brewery, some-one's pockets have been minted via this scam. Other parts of Britain make Norfolk look like red-necked hill-billy's. Scamming the tax-payer is a every day occurrence by those in power, vote them out or kick them out!!!!!!
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02/07/2009, 2:40 AM
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Its a total disgrace.
The pocket fillers are a company from Shrewsberry called Enviros. Fortunately Norfolk CC aren't going back to the WRG waste of energy burner.
The easy way to deal with 135,000Tonnes pa of residual waste is to separate food waste out weekly (about 30,000Tpa) to a digester; sort out recycleable stuff in a facility and convert the rest to hydrogen rich syngas and plasmarok@ for road macadam in a modularised CHP plasma gasifer. Simple.
Plasma converters are the safe future for non food waste that can't be recycled/digested
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NrYJof510NU
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02/07/2009, 8:38 PM
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Well seeing this took 5 years and £2 million+, to come to this conclusion. Its a dam of waste of tax payer's kite, I said in a post this time last year, that banks will not lend to pie in sky,new technology. I smell a burner cover up/pocket filling scam, as we now know, all political bods of all colours,love the public's cash.
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04/07/2009, 1:45 PM
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| ironsmad wrote: | Well seeing this took 5 years and £2 million+, to come to this conclusion. Its a dam of waste of tax payer's kite, I said in a post this time last year, that banks will not lend to pie in sky,new technology. I smell a burner cover up/pocket filling scam, as we now know, all political bods of all colours,love the public's cash.
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Burners face the same Macro Economic pressures and costs as any other technology. Jersey and Newhaven contruction costs have doubled since their inception. Proves separation, recycling, composing, digesting is the best way; not these large scale 25-30yr blackbox solutions;
Weekly food waste collections; thats the answer. Less rubbish in the black bin, squeeze your bin empty; no return to DM proposed and costly "weekly wasting to Throw away"
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04/07/2009, 8:00 PM
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| GreenBlue wrote: | | ironsmad wrote: | Well seeing this took 5 years and £2 million+, to come to this conclusion. Its a dam of waste of tax payer's kite, I said in a post this time last year, that banks will not lend to pie in sky,new technology. I smell a burner cover up/pocket filling scam, as we now know, all political bods of all colours,love the public's cash.
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Burners face the same Macro Economic pressures and costs as any other technology. Jersey and Newhaven contruction costs have doubled since their inception. Proves separation, recycling, composing, digesting is the best way; not these large scale 25-30yr blackbox solutions;
Weekly food waste collections; thats the answer. Less rubbish in the black bin, squeeze your bin empty; no return to DM proposed and costly "weekly wasting to Throw away" |
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I guess Lord mandy friends "The boys from Europe" will tie all the loose ends up on this one. A burner which generates heat/electric, As we now know government can ride over any decisions made by local pocket fillers.
http://www.euroheat.org/
eceee: European Council for an Energy Efficient Economy
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04/07/2009, 8:43 PM
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| ironsmad wrote: | | GreenBlue wrote: |
| ironsmad wrote: | Well seeing this took 5 years and £2 million+, to come to this conclusion. Its a dam of waste of tax payer's kite, I said in a post this time last year, that banks will not lend to pie in sky,new technology. I smell a burner cover up/pocket filling scam, as we now know, all political bods of all colours,love the public's cash.
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Burners face the same Macro Economic pressures and costs as any other technology. Jersey and Newhaven contruction costs have doubled since their inception. Proves separation, recycling, composing, digesting is the best way; not these large scale 25-30yr blackbox solutions;
Weekly food waste collections; thats the answer. Less rubbish in the black bin, squeeze your bin empty; no return to DM proposed and costly "weekly wasting to Throw away"
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I guess Lord mandy friends "The boys from Europe" will tie all the loose ends up on this one. A burner which generates heat/electric, As we now know government can ride over any decisions made by local pocket fillers.
http://www.euroheat.org/
eceee: European Council for an Energy Efficient Economy
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If anyone could prove EfW/CHP burners to be a benign or efficient techonology (science/not spin); this would be a laugh.
As private citizen or an expert scientist with a research; we have to pay £350-500 to get into one of these workshops. This is the barrier EU/Government use to exclude the truth and descent!
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04/07/2009, 9:06 PM
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| GreenBlue wrote: | | ironsmad wrote: | | GreenBlue wrote: |
| ironsmad wrote: | Well seeing this took 5 years and £2 million+, to come to this conclusion. Its a dam of waste of tax payer's kite, I said in a post this time last year, that banks will not lend to pie in sky,new technology. I smell a burner cover up/pocket filling scam, as we now know, all political bods of all colours,love the public's cash.
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Burners face the same Macro Economic pressures and costs as any other technology. Jersey and Newhaven contruction costs have doubled since their inception. Proves separation, recycling, composing, digesting is the best way; not these large scale 25-30yr blackbox solutions;
Weekly food waste collections; thats the answer. Less rubbish in the black bin, squeeze your bin empty; no return to DM proposed and costly "weekly wasting to Throw away"
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I guess Lord mandy friends "The boys from Europe" will tie all the loose ends up on this one. A burner which generates heat/electric, As we now know government can ride over any decisions made by local pocket fillers.
http://www.euroheat.org/
eceee: European Council for an Energy Efficient Economy
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If anyone could prove EfW/CHP burners to be a benign or efficient techonology (science/not spin); this would be a laugh.
As private citizen or an expert scientist with a research; we have to pay £350-500 to get into one of these workshops. This is the barrier EU/Government use to exclude the truth and descent! |
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Another reason to exit the EU mafia/global elite, put MMGW in with this bunch of nutters. And the fables shine right through.
http://www.ogj.com/index/article-display/4211587764/s-articles/s-oil-gas-journal/s-general-interest/s-government/s-articles/s-eu-group_prepares.html
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04/07/2009, 9:23 PM
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| ironsmad wrote: | | GreenBlue wrote: | | ironsmad wrote: | | GreenBlue wrote: |
| ironsmad wrote: | Well seeing this took 5 years and £2 million+, to come to this conclusion. Its a dam of waste of tax payer's kite, I said in a post this time last year, that banks will not lend to pie in sky,new technology. I smell a burner cover up/pocket filling scam, as we now know, all political bods of all colours,love the public's cash.
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Burners face the same Macro Economic pressures and costs as any other technology. Jersey and Newhaven contruction costs have doubled since their inception. Proves separation, recycling, composing, digesting is the best way; not these large scale 25-30yr blackbox solutions;
Weekly food waste collections; thats the answer. Less rubbish in the black bin, squeeze your bin empty; no return to DM proposed and costly "weekly wasting to Throw away"
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I guess Lord mandy friends "The boys from Europe" will tie all the loose ends up on this one. A burner which generates heat/electric, As we now know government can ride over any decisions made by local pocket fillers.
http://www.euroheat.org/
eceee: European Council for an Energy Efficient Economy
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If anyone could prove EfW/CHP burners to be a benign or efficient techonology (science/not spin); this would be a laugh.
As private citizen or an expert scientist with a research; we have to pay £350-500 to get into one of these workshops. This is the barrier EU/Government use to exclude the truth and descent!
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Another reason to exit the EU mafia/global elite, put MMGW in with this bunch of nutters. And the fables shine right through.
http://www.ogj.com/index/article-display/4211587764/s-articles/s-oil-gas-journal/s-general-interest/s-government/s-articles/s-eu-group_prepares.html
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No; the answer is a General Election to influence policy. The problem is the sceptics whose science, solutions and whinges don't add up as they have minority vested interest like oil, profit, nationalism etc.
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08/07/2009, 8:23 PM
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| Harry Cripps understudy wrote: | May be statistics from the incinerator emissions on the general health of the population of the Rivenhall area, will be the blue print for other burners in white middle class areas.
EXCLUSIVE: Huge waste plant and incinerator given go ahead
Their votes were tied four each, with two abstentions, but chairman, Cllr Bill Dick, dramatically sent the motion through with his casting vote.
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Read a real blog, with over 10,000 readers..Monday.. HPA said it was concerned about suspicous incinerator clusters
Western Daily Press: Chemical danger testing
Western Daily Press (Bristol, England) - Wednesday, August 6, 2003
THE potential dangers of chemicals and poisons, such as those from landfill sites and incinerators , are to come under intense scrutiny, the Health Protection Agency (HPA) announced yesterday.
Working with the NHS, the HPA will investigate suspicious clusters of disease which could be linked to chemical exposure.
The pledge was made as the fledgling agency , which began work in April, launched its five-year plan setting out its aims and objectives across a raft of health protection concerns.
The plan pointed out that an estimated 600 new chemicals entered the marketplace each month, on top of the 11million already known and 70,000 in regular use.
Various studies have claimed that exposure to chemicals can have serious effects on health , including the risk of birth defects and certain chronic diseases.
The HPA plan not only highlighted public concern about chemical-related accidents, but also the possible ill health consequences of long-term exposure to chemicals, such as those emitted from landfills, incinerators and industrial sites.
Pat Troop, the HPA's chief executive, said it was crucial to study the long-term effects of chemical exposure. "We are not saying there is a problem. We are saying we are looking carefully to see if there is a problem or there isn't a problem. The public is concerned about many of these issues."
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