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03/04/2006, 2:02 PM JeremyJones Joined on 03/04/2006 Norwich Posts 17 Can anyone tell me what this is in the skies over Norwich? Droid jets? Hi! I saw what appeared to be a plane leaving multiple vapour trails in the skies over Norwich, the other day (31st March 06), so I took a photo of it. As far as I can tell, the jet, which _is_ clearly visible, is producing two main vapour trails, and there are five extra trails, three on one side of the plane, and two on the other. I did see a picture in a magazine of a plane with droid jets, though at low level (I think). If it was an aerodynamic effect, I'd expect there to be an equal number of trails on either side. Also, the trails seem to begin too far from the jet to have been created by it. Is this a photo of a jet accompanied by five small droid jets flying over Norwich? Also, I have seen a Eurofighter Typhoon fly over Norwich, and think I _heard_ some again, circling low over Norwich the other night - quite a distinctive jet noise, I think. Am wondering whether all this activity is the precursor to something worrying. Jeremy Jones. By the way, the address of my site, is http://www.jeremyjones.0catch.com with a digit 'zero' in the middle, not a letter 'O' (for Oranges) in the middle. - The preview of the posting seems unclear, though it's possible the link does work. JJ.   Jeremy Jones http://www.jeremyjones.0catch.com    Report

04/04/2006, 9:48 AM tsutton Joined on 04/04/2006 Norfolk Posts 15 Re: Can anyone tell me what this is in the skies over Norwich? Droid jets? Very interesting... however I think it's an eye trick or something. I'm interested to know what it is too... - Tony Sutton - http://www.fordst170.co.uk    Report

05/04/2006, 10:04 AM njw Joined on 08/02/2006 Posts 2 Re: Can anyone tell me what this is in the skies over Norwich? Droid jets? This has also appeared on one of the aviation websites and the concensus is that its a refuelling tanker accompanied by some of its 'customers', which seems reasonable when you consider that they are based at Mildenhall. see http://www.ukar.co.uk/cgi-bin/ukarboard/ikonboard.cgi?s=1c7324f2540e3cfdfa1d763cd6a5244c;act=ST;f=1;t=13534    Report

05/04/2006, 11:29 AM Paulos Joined on 05/04/2006 Posts 2 Re: Can anyone tell me what this is in the skies over Norwich? Droid jets? Nothing to worry about, it's just a tanker aircraft refuelling a handful of F-16s. No 'droid' jets or anything sinister. Also it isn't unusual for Typhoons to be flying above Norfolk as they are based at Coningsby in Lincolnshire. Look at http://www.ukar.co.uk/cgi-bin/ukarboard/ikonboard.cgi?s=66744ac292ac53a3c9e655178c0f7481;act=ST;f=1;t=13534 for more accurate info.    Report

05/04/2006, 4:57 PM JeremyJones Joined on 03/04/2006 Norwich Posts 17 Re: Can anyone tell me what this is in the skies over Norwich? Droid jets? I might have thought so, myself, if the first plane looked larger. As it is, it doesn't look large enough to be a tanker of any description. It looks more like a fighter. However, will try Norwich's 2nd Air Memorial Division library for silhouettes to see. And I assure you it's an honest photo, taken from the window of my flat. Can email original (1.3Mb goes to 2.3Mb via Yahoo), if they want to look to zoom in for themselves. Just pass me email address. JJ. Jeremy Jones http://www.jeremyjones.0catch.com    Report

06/04/2006, 5:35 PM cat7 Joined on 06/04/2006 Posts 1 Re: Can anyone tell me what this is in the skies over Norwich? Droid jets?  JeremyJones wrote: I might have thought so, myself, if the first plane looked larger. As it is, it doesn't look large enough to be a tanker of any description. It looks more like a fighter. However, will try Norwich's 2nd Air Memorial Division library for silhouettes to see. This is a big plane but its flying very high (from Father Ted 'these ones smalll, those one faaar awayyy :-) ). Several people on UKAR have not only identified it as a tanker but as one from the Dutch airforce which was known to be en-route to the USA on March 31st which was when you saw it. One person has gone as far as to say :-   UKAR wrote: This was NAF41 with NAF81. Dutch KDC-10 and 6 F-16's. They flew over Coltishall on the 31st March 2006. Theres a bit more about refuelling at http://www.freewebs.com/101arw/trainingcenter.htm and if I've got this right there is a photo of the actual plane at http://www.myaviation.net/search/photo_search.php?id=00216826 Its not as exciting as a droid plane (whatever that is) but it is almost certainly true :-)    Report

07/04/2006, 2:46 PM JeremyJones Joined on 03/04/2006 Norwich Posts 17 Re: Can anyone tell me what this is in the skies over Norwich? Droid jets? If it was not for the fact that there was actually debate on the UKAR web site, about what the planes might be, suggesting that the plane may have been a TriStar, and there were not a large amount of offensive language, including gratuitous homophobic remarks, and the like, I might accept a view from someone reporting from that community. As it is, I see no particular reason for the aircraft buff community to be quite so derisive in its remarks to those outside of it, and no good reason to accept its assertions. My personal feeling is that if the members of that community showed the respect that I typically see members of the UK's armed forces showing to the public, including RAF, when, for example, out recruiting, instead of making offensive childish jibes, there'd be a lot less need for the armed forces to go and deal with situations in other countries caused by that kind of person. I am grateful for positive input. I have, now, had a chance to try to enhance the original photo to try to establish the shape of the jet. It is possible, from what I have seen, that it has a section that is more the tubular shape associated with larger jets than the angular shape of fighters. But I don't think I could say that for sure. Myself, I don't feel qualified to rule out the possibility that the photo only shows two contrails and not three, from the only plane visible, though three does seem possible. However, my initial impression, when I took the photo was of a fighter, and until I had fiddled with the photo a lot, it still resembled one to me, and indeed still does, after some fiddles. Additionally, the craft was moving very fast - faster than I would have associated a tanker craft with - particularly if it were actually attempting to refuel customers at the time. I remain mystified by the total invisibility of the actual customers. According to March's guide to aircraft, a KC-10 is 55.35m long ('big' is such a disappointingly crude word from an 'expert'). Fighters are about 15m long (assuming you can identify which ones they are) - ie: about 1/3 to 1/4 of the length of a tanker. You'd hope to be able to see something of that size, there, in that image. As it is, whatever I have tried to do to the image, I have, at best, only managed to bring out one small highlighted patch that might represent another plane, and that was some way forward of where I'd expect to see it, unless fighter contrails 'go white' after a longer period than those of tankers. I am, therefore, still very curious to know what might present so small an image, and how. Clearly, whatever they are, they are on the same course, and would be presenting the same surface(s) to the camera, and it seems reasonable to expect that similar reflectivity would cause similarly bright images. It is quite possible that one or other of the posters on UKAR is correct (and one might hope likely), though there is nothing there to indicate which that might be. I am a former journalist. There were some rather negative remarks about the Evening News and the behaviour of journalists, on the UKAR site. Myself, if I had been reporting on this, I would certainly not go to press based upon the rather strident remarks of Joe Nobody who refuses to identify themself other than by a rather childish, macho 'handle'. What the Evening News has done is give airspace to one of the people on its bulletin board. It is not saying 'This is what this is'. It is making it possible for them to ask the public, on its site 'What is this?'. Which seems a very reasonable thing to do. I imagine, from the large number of views, compared to the number of replies, that a lot of other people are puzzled by the image, including a friend of mine whose views and opinions I certainly do respect. As for seeing this kind of thing over Norwich, it is rather unusual, as is the amount of jet activity. It may be that, now that there are Eurofighter Typhoons at Coningsby, we may well see more of them. My personal feeling is that I would expect the RAF to avoid flying low over heaviliy populated areas unless it wished to communicate to the public that it was there, for some reason. When I contacted the RAF to find out where the Typhoon may have come from, I was told there were 'over 20' stationed at Coningsby. This, again, is a remarkably vague piece of accounting, for machines of such lethality and cost. If the customers were fighters returning to America, then that suits me fine. If anyone can offer more definitive advice (perhaps offer evidence to support one view over another), I'll be happy to read it. Ignorance is excusable. Stupidity is not. A person can always learn, and many actually have to. Don't go jumping down the throats of people who are merely 'ignorant'! Jeremy Jones. http://www.jeremyjones.0catch.com Jeremy Jones http://www.jeremyjones.0catch.com    Report

07/04/2006, 4:52 PM Paulos Joined on 05/04/2006 Posts 2 Re: Can anyone tell me what this is in the skies over Norwich? Droid jets? Apologies if any UKAR members have offended you but we see some extremely poor, misguided and sensationalist journalism when it comes to aviation matters and we don't suffer fools gladly. We often see the result of journalists who don't bother to check even the most basic facts which gives the reading public the wrong impression. If more than one person suggests it is a KDC-10 with a host of F-16s then you can be pretty sure that is what it is, in fact there are people who can tell you the serials of the aircraft involved and probably their history!    Report

07/04/2006, 10:16 PM Jarvis Joined on 07/04/2006 Posts 2 Re: Can anyone tell me what this is in the skies over Norwich? Droid jets? I reckon it's some kind of super hero.    Report

10/04/2006, 4:12 PM JeremyJones Joined on 03/04/2006 Norwich Posts 17 Re: Can anyone tell me what this is in the skies over Norwich? Droid jets? .............................................. Jarvis wrote the following post at 07/04/2006 10:16 PM: "I reckon it's some kind of super hero. " ............................................... Yeah. You're probably right. The Incredibles. If enough Evening News readers agree, then that's what it is. Some of them can even name each character and what they do in each scene. JJ. Jeremy Jones http://www.jeremyjones.0catch.com    Report

02/09/2007, 5:22 PM PeterTomasPan Joined on 02/09/2007 Posts 1 Re: Can anyone tell me what this is in the skies over Norwich? Droid jets? As it looks as though you captured your photograph (of aircraft & vapor trails) from inside your flat I wounder if you took the photograph through a double-glazed unit. This may or may-not have produced the effect but should be eliminated (by experimentation maybe) before any solid conclusion can be inferred." src="/cs/emoticons/emotion-58.gif">    Report

02/11/2008, 5:08 PM lightbeing Joined on 02/11/2008 Posts 4 Re: Can anyone tell me what this is in the skies over Norwich? Droid jets? They are in fact chemtrails. There has been a large number of research done on the subject. They are quite commonplace in America. Somebody managed to photograph the chemicals that they spray. Just google 'chemtrails' and you will find a plethora of information on the subject. There are many prevelant authorities on the subject of chemtrails online.    Report

05/11/2008, 10:28 PM tom cavendish Joined on 15/01/2005 Posts 188 Re: Can anyone tell me what this is in the skies over Norwich? Droid jets? During the summer I called the newspaper because 2 fighter planes were duelling against each other in the sky right above Norwich. It can't be safe to being doing that over the city close to the airport. Having since spoken to a pilot he said there were concerns because Norwich Airport only has a small airspace and that fighter planes dare to go very close to the airport airspace. Apparently, people at the airport would like to extend the airspace. On almost a daily basis I see and hear low flying jet fighter planes over the east of Norwich. Also, at night I often hear loud sounds from the sky. I'd describe the sound as being a bit like a huge hot air balloon switching on the hot air - but loud as if it is a plane engine switching on and off. It's always too dark to see what it is and there are no lights on whatever it is. I do wonder whether Norfolk is again being used as a testing ground. From the EDP in 2005 "As we revealed, families in most of Norfolk may have been exposed to the cadmium chemicals dropped by the Ministry of Defence over the county in secret germ warfare tests in 1963. "The tests by scientists from Porton Down Researchers at the Wiltshire chemical defence base were carried out because they wanted to find out how chemicals would disperse. "Cadmium was sprayed over the city in at least five separate experiments, one in March 1963 and a further four times in 1964. "MoD documents have revealed that during the trial in 1963 the plane flew 62 miles from the Suffolk coastal town of Aldeburgh south east of Norwich in a straight line until it reached the Great Ouse just south of Downham Market, south west of Norwich. "As it flew it released the chemical from a mechanical dispenser at a rate of 2.4lbs per mile."    Report

06/11/2008, 3:14 PM ironsmad Joined on 12/03/2008 Posts 1,330 Re: Can anyone tell me what this is in the skies over Norwich? Droid jets? "Cadmium was sprayed over the city in at least five separate experiments, one in March 1963 and a further four times in 1964.  Not only Norwich was exposed to chemicals, several other locations were also conducted by the government . More NWO.           BBC Inside Out - Porton Down    Report

15/11/2008, 4:45 PM GreenBlue Joined on 01/06/2008 Posts 878 Re: Can anyone tell me what this is in the skies over Norwich? Droid jets? Cadmium - C/O old technology/incinerator corporates---and this is why burning waste for district heating con tick spreading the below amounts of insoluble death dust over 8 years of cumulative impact of local folk breathing it in, in the lungs, through to the blood and organs; and through the the brain via the blood/brain barrier. Material Maximum Reported Emission 1998 - 2006 Effects on Human Health       Ammonia 22.5t Excessive exposure to ammonia may affect the eye, lung, nose, skin and throat. Boron 17453kg Excessive exposure to boron and its compounds may affect the brain, digestive system, eye, kidney, liver, lung, nose, reproductive system, skin, throat and the unborn child. Metals     Antimony 10.4kg Excessive exposure to antimony may affect the digestive system, eye, heart, kidney, lung and skin. Arsenic 4.2kg Arsenic and some of its compounds may cause cancer and genetic damage. Excessive exposures may affect the blood, blood vessels, brain, digestive system, lung, peripheral nerve and skin. Beryllium 3.43kg Excessive exposure to beryllium may affect the eye, lung and skin, and may cause cancer. Cadmium 2.7kg Excessive exposure to cadmium and its compounds may affect the blood, blood vessels, bone, digestive system, heart, immune system, kidney, liver and lung, and may cause cancer. Danger of serious damage to health by prolonged exposure through inhalation and if swallowed. Possible risk of irreversible effects. Chromium 62.2kg Chromium and its compounds may cause cancer and genetic damage. Excessive exposure may affect the digestive system, kidney, liver, lung, nose, skin and the unborn child. Copper 29.9kg Excessive exposure to copper and its compounds may affect the digestive system, eye, kidney, liver, lung and nose. Lead <100kg Lead and some of its compounds may affect the development of the brain in children and the unborn child.  Excessive exposure may affect the blood, blood vessels, digestive system, kidney, peripheral nerve, reproductive system and the unborn child, and may cause cancer. Manganese <100kg Excessive exposure to manganese and its compounds may affect the brain, liver, lung, reproductive system and skin. Mercury 20.44kg Excessive exposure to mercury and its compounds may affect the brain, digestive system, eye, heart, kidney, lung, reproductive system, skin, and the unborn child. Nickel 103.83kg Nickel may cause cancer and genetic damage.Excessive exposure to nickel may affect the blood, lung, nose, reproductive system, skin and the unborn child. Selenium <200kg Excessive exposure to selenium and its compounds may affect the brain, digestive system, eye, heart, liver, lung, peripheral nerve, reproductive system, skin, throat. Vanadium <100kg Excessive exposure to vanadium compounds may affect the digestive system, eye, liver, skin, throat and the unborn child, and may cause cancer. Zinc <100kg Excessive exposure to zinc compounds may affect the blood, digestive system, eye, kidney, lung, pancreas, reproductive system, skin and the unborn child. Ozone <50kg Excessive exposure to ozone may affect the eye and lung. Carbon dioxide 716004.2t Major contributor to climate change. Climate changes will inevitably influence the health of those directly affected. Carbon dioxide - ‘chemical’ 326000t Carbon dioxide - ‘thermal’ 307000t Carbon monoxide 678.7t Excessive exposure to carbon monoxide may affect the blood, brain, heart, and the unborn child. Nitrogen oxides (as NO2) 3447.7t Excessive exposure to nitrogen oxides may affect the blood, liver, lung and spleen. Nitrous oxide 15800kg Sulphur oxides (as SO2) 1685t Excessive exposure to sulphur dioxide may affect the eye, lung and throat. Hydrogen chloride 52.46t Excessive exposure to hydrogen chloride may affect the eye, lung, nose, skin and throat. Inorganic chlorine compounds 52466kg Hydrogen cyanide <200kg A poisonous gas that affects the central nervous system and can cause death if the exposure is high enough. May cause brain damage at lower than lethal concentrations. Hydrogen fluoride <5000kg Potential symptoms of overexposure are irritation of eyes, nose and throat; pulmonary edema; skin and eye burns; nasal congestion; bronchitis. Inorganic fluorine compounds <5000kg Can cause fluorosis – may damage teeth and bones if exposed to excessive concentrations Particulate matter - total 147.91t   PM10 69.5t Particulates affect the heart and lung. COMEAP have concluded that there is an effect on health from any particulate matter. Methane 50.1t Excessive exposure to methane may affect the brain.   VOC and POP   Volatile Organic Compounds include a large number of toxic chemicals some effects are listed below under the individual chemicals. No one knows the effect of small quantities of lots of organic chemicals acting together. VOCs (as C) (1998-2001) 268.9t VOCs (NMVOCs) (2002 onwards) 84t Benzene 4367.02kg Benzene may cause cancer and genetic damage. Excessive exposure may affect the blood, brain, heart, immune system, liver, lung and skin.  Toxic: danger of serious damage to health by prolonged exposure through inhalation Butadiene (1,3-Butadiene) <100kg 1,3-Butadiene may cause cancer and genetic damage.  Excessive exposure may affect the blood, brain, eye, heart, kidney, lung, nose and throat. Styrene <100kg Excessive exposure to styrene may affect the blood, brain, eye, immune system, kidney, liver, lung, skin and throat. Carbon disulphide <1000kg Excessive exposure to carbon disulphide may affect the brain, eye, heart, liver, lung, reproductive system, skin, and the unborn child. Polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons   There is rapidly increasing body of evidence supporting the conclusion that carcinogenic polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons (PAHs) produce severe, long-term immunotoxicity. This may be related to the structure of the carcinogenic polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons since immune alterations have not been observed following exposure to noncarcinogenic congeners. Evidence exists to indicate that mixtures of PAHs are carcinogenic in humans. The evidence in humans comes primarily from occupational studies of workers exposed to mixtures containing PAHs as a result of their involvement in such processes as coke production, roofing, oil refining, or coal gasification (e.g., coal tar, roofing tar, soot, coke oven emissions, soot, crude oil)… . PAHs, however, have not been clearly identified as the causative agent. Cancer associated with exposure to PAH-containing mixtures in humans occurs predominantly in the lung and skin following inhalation and dermal exposure, respectively. Some ingestion of PAHs is likely because of swallowing of particles containing PAHs subsequent to mucociliary clearance of these particulates from the lung. PAHs (borneff six) 630.88kg Benzo(a)Pyrene <1kg Benzo(a)pyrene may cause cancer and genetic damage. Excessive exposure may affect the blood, immune system, reproductive system and the unborn child.  May cause heritable genetic damage; May impair fertility; Benzo(b)fluoranthene <1kg probable human carcinogen,  increased incidences of skin, lung, bladder & gastrointestinal cancer. Pregnant women may be especially susceptible to exposure effects associated with coal tar pitch volatiles like benzo(b)fluoranthene and other pahs. Benzo(g,h,i)perylene <1kg Possibly genotoxic Benzo(k)fluoranthene <1kg probable human carcinogen. Chrysene <10kg probable human carcinogen. Pregnant women may be especially susceptible to exposure effects associated with coal tar pitch volatiles. Persons with existing skin disorders may be more susceptible to the effects of coal tar pitch volatiles Indeno(1,2,3-cd)pyrene <1kg  The agent is possibly carcinogenic to humans.  caused increased incidences of lung and genitourinary cancer mortality Naphthalene <10000kg Excessive exposure to naphthalene may affect the blood, breastfed baby, eye, lung and the unborn child. Organo-chlorine and organo-fluorine compounds   CFCs (as C) (1998-2001) <100kg Damage the ozone layer so may affect health indirectly through increased uv radiation at ground level. CFCs (total mass 2002 onwards) <50kg Carbon tetrachloride <100kg Excessive exposure to carbon tetrachloride may affect the brain, digestive system, eye, kidney, liver and skin, and may cause cancer. Dioxins and furans - as ITEQ 70 mg Excessive exposure to dioxins may affect the heart, immune system, liver, skin, thyroid gland and the unborn child, and may cause cancer. Dioxins and furans- as WHO TEQ 40 mg Halons (as C) (1998-2001) <100kg Chemicals containing fluorine and chlorine. Many cause cancer or have narcotic effects. They can be associated with dioxin formation. Halons (total) (2002 onwards) <50kg HCFCs (as C) (1998-2001) <100kg   HCFCs (total) (2002 onwards) <1000kg HFCs (as C) (1998-2001) <100kg   HFCs (total) (2002 onwards) <100kg   PCBs as WHO TEQ .02g   PFCs (as C) (1998-2001) <100kg   <100kg     Phosgene (Carbonic dichloride) <100kg Excessive exposure to phosgene may affect eye, lung, skin and throat. Methyl chloride <10000kg Excessive exposure to chloromethane may affect the brain, eye, heart, kidney, liver, reproductive system and skin, and may cause cancer. Sulphur hexafluoride <100kg Excessive exposure to sulphur hexafluoride may affect the brain. Source: The Air That We Breathe.      Report

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